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 Sarcophagidae -> Microsoma exiguum (Tachinidae)
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| MorganA |
Posted on 08-01-2024 14:01
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This one i am not sure about, I feel like I can't properly key it to family even.. I also have tried it in Calliphoridae, Rhinophoridae, Sarcophagidae, Tachinidae and Muscidae, without finding a match.. I think most likely Sarcophagidae tho. South Norway 23rd June MorganA attached the following image:  [296.4Kb] Edited by MorganA on 12-01-2024 12:16 |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 08-01-2024 14:02
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Posted on 08-01-2024 14:02
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Posted on 08-01-2024 14:02
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| John Carr |
Posted on 08-01-2024 18:37
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The short-petiolate cell r5 and rounded bend in vein M point to Tachinidae. |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 08-01-2024 20:32
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Thank you, it does not have a very obvious postscutellum. I also forgot to mention the size which is about 4mm. |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 08-01-2024 22:52
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Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9847 Joined: 22.10.10 |
The calypters look too large for Rhinophoridae. To my knowledge Sarcophagidae always have a sharper bend in vein M, and your fly's arista is bare. Calliphoridae normally have a plumose arista. There are exceptions in subfamily Melanomyinae, which may also have a gentle bend in vein M. To my knowledge, no Melanomyinae have petiolate cell r5. Muscidae never have petiolate cell r5. To run through the Central European key you need the arrangement of the postsutural intra-alars. |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 08-01-2024 23:17
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Thank you! So I actually have two males from the same locality at the same day, and the one in the original post have mostly broken bristles. So I checked the other specimen as well. To me it looks like there is only one postsutural ia
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 09-01-2024 08:05
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18531 Joined: 21.07.04 |
it is not a Sarc and my gut feeling is Rhinophoridae. Can you check the lappets of posterior spiracle ? Theo |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 09-01-2024 08:57
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Thank you, its difficult to get a proper picture of the posterior spiracle, but it looks like the lappets stand straight out
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| MorganA |
Posted on 09-01-2024 08:58
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Here is a picture showing the postscutellum.
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 09-01-2024 12:21
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Yeap, I’d say that is a Rhinophoidae, thanks. my guess is one of those rare Phyto ‘s ? can you tell whether the first supra-alar bristle is strong or small . what about sternites, visible or covered by tergites ? Theo |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 09-01-2024 13:48
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Thank you! 1st supra-alar is slightly weaker than the notopleurals.
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| MorganA |
Posted on 09-01-2024 13:49
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Sternits are visible
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 09-01-2024 20:02
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I am starting to think Loewia (Tachinidae ) ? Theo |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 09-01-2024 20:54
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Thank you! I think you are right with Tachinidae, I believe after going trough the key several times it should be Microsoma exiguum |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-01-2024 20:08
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The wing venation is indeed very similar. Nine out if ten, I see females, males are (apparently) not present in my active memory  Theo |
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| MorganA |
Posted on 12-01-2024 12:15
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Yeah, I have only seen females before too. |
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but don't see the image in the post.