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Calliphora non-vicina? (23.03.23)
Juergen Peters
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Posted on 23-03-2023 21:13
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Hello,

if I see it correctly, this male has dark basicostae (?). Maybe Calliphora loewi? Today at fruit bait in our courtyard (northwest Germany).
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Yes, clear candidate C. loewi. Nice work.

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Shouldn't the thorax be more striped in C. loewi and the frons narrower? Smile
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What about C. uralensis?
differs from loewi especially by:
- gena without a shining white spot
- no dark stripe between the pre acr
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Hello,

interesting discussion. Thanks to all! I should have tried to get better photos. I took some additional today, but most showed clearly C. vicina. Only one male seemed to have dark basicostae. But unfortunately the pics are not better than those yesterday... Frown
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Hallo Jürgen, I forgot to list the frons which is an important character and Johan pointed to that.
Key in "Blowflies..." by Knut Rognes:
loewi: frons narrower than distance between posterior ocelli
uralensis: frons 1.5 times distance between posterior ocelli includive

And IMHO your last photo shows this.
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I am very uncomfortable telling uralensis from loewi apart from pictures, that is why I used ‘candidate’. You might be right, but zi don’t / didn’t expect uralensis at Juergen’s.
But then again, I also didn’t expect rohdendorfi in Poland …
Dark vittae on thorax should be considered from behind.

So, you might be right. I would like to be dead sure.

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Hello,

I add three pics from today. But I fear, the are not better.
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And one (big! 1600x1600 pixels) from another specimen of which I am not sure, if it is the same species.
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Hi Jürgen, I'm quite sure, that your last photo shows a male C. vicina: Tergit 3 has a shifting pattern and basicosta doesn't seem to be black (vicina: "basicosta pale, can be infuscated, brown but not entirely black", O. Sivell). To be "dead sure" you should try to make clear lateral shots, showing anterior spiracle, gena etc.
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To be dead sure, I’d like to see genitalia

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eklans wrote:
To be "dead sure" you should try to make clear lateral shots, showing anterior spiracle, gena etc.

Thanks! I will try, when the weather gets better (permanently raining today...) and the flies still come to my baits. But I'm afraid, I will not be able to provide (microscope) photos of the genitalia, as I am photographing live animals only...
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