Gallery Links
Users Online
· Guests Online: 25

· Members Online: 1
Paul Beuk

· Total Members: 4,950
· Newest Member: JeffersonA
Forum Threads
Theme Switcher
Switch to:
Last Seen Users
· Paul BeukOnline
· beateSenf< 5 mins
· JWV00:29:15
· ESant01:09:01
· smol01:15:30
· Nacho Cabellos01:20:43
· Nosferatumyia01:24:05
· Tony Irwin01:57:30
· weia02:29:37
· Jan Maca02:37:05
Latest Photo Additions
View Thread
Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 Print Thread
Phebellia? Southern Alps
clovis
#1 Print Post
Posted on 05-12-2022 19:18
Member

Location: North France, lille
Posts: 908
Joined: 08.06.10

Hi,

My new question is about this female, caught in a nice marsland, in Hautes Alpes, in France (Southern Alps), not so hight (900m)

Using central european key, I end out on Phebellia genus (and it would be nigripalpis).
But using Mosch web, this genus is excluded when I put "black palpi".

What do you think?

Black palpi
Notopleural setae smaller than first post ia
3 katepisternal
2 brisles on radiocubital node
Protesternum hairyNo hairs on cheeks
Apex of scutellum orange
Apical setae on scutellum broken (one of, the second raised about 70°, but I can exclude its broken and standing in an unatural position)
eyes hairy
medial tibia with 3 ad


www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos316/big/Saint%20laurent%20de%20cros%20mai%202022%203.JPG
clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022
Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm
Réf. : 316031
www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos316/big/Saint%20laurent%20de%20cros%20mai%202022%204.JPG
clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022
Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm
Réf. : 316032

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos316/big/Saint%20laurent%20de%20cros%20mai%202022.JPG
clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022
Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm
Réf. : 316034

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos316/big/Saint%20laurent%20de%20cros%20mai%202022%202.JPG
clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022
Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm
Réf. : 316035
 
Zeegers
#2 Print Post
Posted on 06-12-2022 08:00
Member

Location: Soest, NL
Posts: 18472
Joined: 21.07.04

First of all, the “ Phebellia” with black palpus are currently united in the genus Prooppia. Not for that readon, by the way, the reproduction strategy is different.
Alas, life is not so simple and shortly I will publish an article complicating matters, unfortunately.

That said, this is a straighforward Phryxe to me. Vertex much too broad for Prooppia.

Theo
 
clovis
#3 Print Post
Posted on 11-12-2022 12:27
Member

Location: North France, lille
Posts: 908
Joined: 08.06.10

Sorry for delay, lot to do this week.


So that explain why Phebellia genus dissapered when including "black palpi" on Tachi.eu! I now have to find one (both!) of those to genus to explore how you complicate things Grin

So a Phryxe, that means I again went wrong on the shape of the humeral bristles. This is a point I now should check both alternative when it doesn't fit!


Tergites in rear view are almost totaly dusted, so I'd go on Phryxe cf vulgaris. Does the antennas seems compatible with this idea to you?

Thanks, as always Wink
Edited by clovis on 11-12-2022 12:28
 
Zeegers
#4 Print Post
Posted on 11-12-2022 14:08
Member

Location: Soest, NL
Posts: 18472
Joined: 21.07.04

If you want to be 100 % sure, check the genitalia, but Ph. vilgaris seems OK

Theo
 
Jump to Forum:
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Rhagio from the Berchtesgaden Alps Diptera (adults) 4 26-11-2023 11:40
Sepsis from southern France Diptera (adults) 2 18-11-2023 11:15
Linnaemya --> Phebellia nigripalpis Diptera (adults) 6 06-08-2023 14:18
Tachydromiinae, alps Diptera (adults) 4 19-07-2023 14:17
Tachinidae from Bavarian Alps (3 pics) Diptera (adults) 5 02-05-2023 19:20
Date and time
28 March 2024 12:29
Login
Username

Password



Not a member yet?
Click here to register.

Forgotten your password?
Request a new one here.
Temporary email?
Due to fact this site has functionality making use of your email address, any registration using a temporary email address will be rejected.

Paul
Donate
Please, help to make
Diptera.info
possible and enable
further improvements!
Latest Articles
Syrph the Net
Those who want to have access to the Syrph the Net database need to sign the
License Agreement -
Click to Download


Public files of Syrph the Net can be downloaded HERE

Last updated: 25.08.2011
Shoutbox
You must login to post a message.

07.03.24 00:01
Some flies preserved in ethanol and then pinned often get the eyes sunken, how can this be avoided? Best answer: I usually keep alcohol-collected material in alcohol

17.08.23 15:23
Aneomochtherus

17.08.23 13:54
Tony, I HAD a blank in the file name. Sorry!

17.08.23 13:44
Tony, thanks! I tried it (see "Cylindromyia" Wink but don't see the image in the post.

17.08.23 11:37
pjt - just send the post and attached image. Do not preview thread, as this will lose the link to the image,

16.08.23 08:37
Tried to attach an image to a forum post. jpg, 32kB, 72dpi, no blanks, ... File name is correctly displayed, but when I click "Preview Thread" it just vanishes. Help!

23.02.23 21:29
Has anyone used the Leica DM500, any comments.

27.12.22 21:10
Thanks, Jan Willem! Much appreciated. Grin

19.12.22 11:33
Thanks Paul for your work on keeping this forum available! Just made a donation via PayPal.

09.10.22 17:07
Yes, dipterologists from far abroad, please buy your copy at veldshop. Stamps will be expensive, but he, the book is unreasonably cheap Smile

Render time: 0.77 seconds | 189,847,970 unique visits