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 Eristalis in copula
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| Urs |
Posted on 19-01-2008 09:27
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Member Location: CH-9630 Wattwil Posts: 1014 Joined: 09.03.06 |
the male of this pair shows a more silvery face. Also Eristalis pertinax? Foto: Switzerland, Wattwil SG, 750m NN, 19.August 07 Thank you for any help Regards Urs Urs attached the following image:  [75.07Kb] |
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| Andre |
Posted on 19-01-2008 14:04
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Eristalis interrupta (= nemorum). Nice capture of this copula! And what an incredible difference in size  |
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| dipdip |
Posted on 19-01-2008 17:46
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 Member Location: Thunersee Switzerland Posts: 357 Joined: 17.12.05 |
Hello? Why not E. jugorum? |
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| Urs |
Posted on 20-01-2008 15:58
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Member Location: CH-9630 Wattwil Posts: 1014 Joined: 09.03.06 |
Hello Andre, thanks a lot for your help. Urs |
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| Andre |
Posted on 20-01-2008 17:09
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Jugorum has broad black median line over the face (interrupta has a small line, like in this case), wings with zig-zag-band.. Face of jugorum is more protruded downwards, but that may be more difficult to see from this angle. |
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| dipdip |
Posted on 21-01-2008 17:03
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Member Location: Thunersee Switzerland Posts: 357 Joined: 17.12.05 |
Yes, but it is so difficult to tell from pictures for sure ... There are flies that don't show us - neither a zig-zag-band nor a really broad median line in the face. Thanks for answering! dipdip attached the following image:  [103.99Kb] Edited by dipdip on 21-01-2008 17:05 |
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| dipdip |
Posted on 21-01-2008 17:04
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Member Location: Thunersee Switzerland Posts: 357 Joined: 17.12.05 |
and male
dipdip attached the following image:  [115.34Kb] |
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| Andre |
Posted on 21-01-2008 21:06
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
To dipdip: the upper Eristalis looks like interrupta to me, because of the yellow base of femur 3 and very small black median stripe on the face. The lower is a clear jugorum indeed. With these examples I must confess that the copula could be jugorum, because of the very black pterostigm. On the other hand, the median stripe of the face is very narrow.... I stick to interrupta. Must add that I have little experience with this species, perhaps I should visit the Alps again... Edited by Andre on 22-01-2008 01:05 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-01-2008 22:15
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The last picture shows very nicely the long black hairs on backside of femur 1, a typical feature of male jugorum. Consequence: I have little doubt the last picture is, indeed, jugorum Theo |
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| dipdip |
Posted on 22-01-2008 10:04
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Member Location: Thunersee Switzerland Posts: 357 Joined: 17.12.05 |
And the upper picture shows the same strong hairs, but jellowish as it is a female. And the first picture of Urs shows a big fly with strong jellowish hairs at femur 1 on the back side. All of them have rather long hairs on the back of their thoraxes. |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 23-01-2008 13:50
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Unfortunately, the copulating male does not show us his foreleg hairs. The yellow hairs of the female leg are also present in E. interrupta, as far as I see from many serious internet sources. And now the photo by Urs is in the gallery as E. interrupta, so I consider the discussion settled - ? Sundew (still struggling with that genus, too) |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-01-2008 10:00
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
yesterday I saw two syrphids in kamasutra and it pays my attention when I realized the big differences in size like the first photo. not Eristalis, though.  |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-01-2008 21:41
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The feature of jugorum on femur 1 is not hairs, but black hairs. Yellow hairs at that locality are common in Eristalis, like horticola. So yellow hairs don't count (that is, for jugorum). And it is only valid for the male sex. Theo |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 28-01-2008 22:43
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
I looked at some specimens of Eristalis jugorum in my collection, and I also think the somewhat pointed snout of the animals is visible, so my idea would indeed be a pair of Eristalis jugorum! greetings, Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| Andre |
Posted on 29-01-2008 02:12
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
I have interrupta in my collection with a somewhat pointed snout. |
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