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Tetanocera can be identified to species level?
rafael_carbonell	#1 Posted on 05-10-2022 13:30
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	On a Rubus leaf. Body length ca. 8 mm. Spain: Girona, 2.x.2022 [Séguy 1934] Des chètules propleuraux plus ou moins nombreux. [?] Espace interoculaire luisant [au moins] au bord antérieur. Antennes: troisième article deux fois plus long que le deuxième. Espace interoculaire luisant sur la plus grande partie. Ailes claires à la nervure costale étroitement ombrée au sommet sculement. Occiput avec deux taches blanches séparées par une bande noire. [brown?] Une ombre brune sur les gènes à la base des antennes. Aile: bord costal nettement bruni à l'apex. Antennes: troisième article pointu, plus do deux fois plus long que le deuxième. Corps d'un brun roux. Long.: 7-8 mm. T. hyalipennis rafael_carbonell attached the following image: [279.79Kb]


rafael_carbonell	#2 Posted on 05-10-2022 13:31
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	... rafael_carbonell attached the following image: [279.55Kb]


rafael_carbonell	#3 Posted on 05-10-2022 13:32
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	Is the frons completely lustrous ? https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137553346 rafael_carbonell attached the following image: [294.52Kb]


John Carr	#4 Posted on 05-10-2022 14:29
Super Administrator Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 10678 Joined: 22.10.10	Are you asking the meaning of the sentence with the question mark? Propleuron more or less setulose.


rafael_carbonell	#5 Posted on 05-10-2022 15:07
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	John Carr wrote: Are you asking the meaning of the sentence with the question mark? Propleuron more or less setulose. Well, I'm not sure if there are small bristles or not on the propleuron. The other big question is if Seguy 1934 keys are still useful for european Tetanocera. The other keys I found are not free download. And the last question is if genitalia is needed to get a species name. Edited by rafael_carbonell on 23-10-2022 18:04


rafael_carbonell	#6 Posted on 21-10-2022 18:09
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	Or perhaps Tetanocera silvatica as suggested here? https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137553346 rafael_carbonell attached the following image: [296.44Kb]


clovis	#7 Posted on 26-10-2022 13:22
Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 941 Joined: 08.06.10	If you read french, I suggest you use Vala 1989, really good book And it cover your area. For frons, better angle would be from front and a bit upward. Frons doesn't look shiny to Me, I'd bet on T ferruginea. You can exclude T hyallipennis anyway, costa is a bit darkned in this species.


rafael_carbonell	#8 Posted on 25-01-2023 00:13
Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 691 Joined: 23.03.06	Thanks, clovis! I bought Vala 1989, but difficult to use with not other references or pinned specimens. I take note on your suggestion.