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Tachinidae - Elodia morio
Marion Friedrich
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Posted on 07-06-2022 21:06
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Hi,
This fly, less than 5 mm in size, hatched from a small pupa (Lepidoptera). Is ID possible?
Greetings, Marion
Germany, Saxony, June 2022.
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eklans
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Hi Marion, it's a difficult one - for me, not all significant features are visible. But I suspect it could be an Elodia morio.
Edited by eklans on 08-06-2022 09:12
Greetings, Eric Kloeckner
 
Marion Friedrich
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Hi Eric,
thank you very much.
I can try to take more photos. Which key features should be visible for the confirmation of Elodia morio?
Greetings, Marion
 
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eklans
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Hi Marion, photos of the apical bristles of the scutellum and the ocellar bristles with the oi should help.
Greetings, Eric Kloeckner
 
Marion Friedrich
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Hi Eric,
here is another new photo. Photographing black flies without laboratory equipment is a real challenge.

Greetings,
Marion
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eklans
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Hi Marion, I know the problems of photographing black flies - your photo is nearly perfect!
With the T&H key + translation by Rayner & Raper I think we see this:
ocellar bristles ≈ oi [not sure]
2nd arista segment > diameter
scutellum with apical bristles [but thin enough?]
2+3 dc
r-m almost vertical on m
r-m to m-cu ≈ m-cu to bow
mid tibia: 1 ad
abdomen shiny black, without bands of dusting
tergites 3 & 4 with discals
+ hatched from a small Lepidoptera pupa

But I think it's wise to wait for the expert.
Edited by eklans on 10-06-2022 10:23
Greetings, Eric Kloeckner
 
Marion Friedrich
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Hi Eric,
thank you very much for the summary of features.
As you suggest, I`ll wait for the expert.
Greetings, Marion
 
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Marion Friedrich
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up

Pictures of the host are in the lepiforum.
https://www.lepiforum.de/1_forum_2019.pl?md=read;id=178957
Edited by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 12:47
 
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Zeegers
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Posted on 28-01-2023 14:51
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I have seen Elodia morio only once, it seems this looks like one, if we are really sure the topcel is open.
Elodia is more often reared than seen in the wild, so that figures.


Theo
 
Marion Friedrich
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Thank you very much Theo.

Greetings, Marion
 
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