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Cylindromyia intermedia? --> C. brassicaria f
Jann Wuebbenhorst
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I found this Cylindromyia on 19th June 2021 on nutrient-poor grassland in the very east of Niedersachsen (Germany), Landkreis Lüneburg.
I tried to identify it using the key of Tschorsnig & Herting (2005). But as a tachinid beginner, I find it difficult to identify all the bristles and other features mentioned in the key.
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Here are my suggestions:
1. hind tibia with pv-bristles
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2. crossed apical scutellar bristles present
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3. Abdomen without discal bristles
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4. Third antennal segment quite long
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5. I'm unsure about the bristles on the middle tibia
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Zeegers
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Yes, difficult genus. Antenne is longer and more orange in intermedia. If a basal scutellar bristle is present, intermedia is highly unlikely.
So this is a small female brassicaria.

Theo
 
Jann Wuebbenhorst
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Thank you again, Theo!
So there's a problem already in the first step of the key, where I decided for 1b (hind tibia with pv -bristles).
Am I wrong with the bristles (as shown in fig. 163 in Tschorsnig & Herting)? Or is this feature not always valid?

Jann
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??

P. = posterior, so backside

pd can never be in front of ad.


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Yes, of course it is the other way round!
I didn't realize that fig. 163 in Tschorsnig & Herting shows the LEFT hind tibia, my photo shows the RIGHT hind tibia - sorry.
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You song again "Upside down you turn me"?


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O.k., I think now I've got it.
pv bristles missing.

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It is very easy to make these kind of mistakes from pictures. Glad you got it.

Theo
 
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