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 Larvae of Vermileonidae
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 14-12-2007 16:21
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 Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Hi! I'm trying to raise larvae of Vermileonidae and I just found out that in each trap there are several individuals (four or more per trap). I believed that there was only one larva per trap, like in myrmeleontids. Can anyone explain me why do they do this? |
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| crex |
Posted on 14-12-2007 16:52
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 Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
What sort of trap is that? |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 14-12-2007 17:11
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
It?s very similar to the antlion's trap: http://www.lucian...onidae.jpg |
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| Colobo |
Posted on 15-12-2007 08:36
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Member Location: Switzerland Posts: 80 Joined: 03.05.07 |
I have reared many larvae of Vermileo (and also one of Lampromyia) to adult, but there was always only one larva in a pit ... Your observation is very surprising. Are you sure that your larvae are Vermileonidae ? |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 15-12-2007 23:56
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
I think so. What else can it be? Right now I don't have photos but the larvae are very similar to Vermileonidae. Whenever I feed them, several "heads" appear. |
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| Colobo |
Posted on 18-12-2007 12:19
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Member Location: Switzerland Posts: 80 Joined: 03.05.07 |
No idea of anything else possible... but the larvae of Vermileonidae catch their prey by "encircling" it with their body. How is it possible if several larvae are in the same pit ? Just a question however : is there room enough in your vial for each larva can build its own pit ? AnYway a really very surprising matter, worth keeping an eye on. |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 19-12-2007 00:50
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Yes, the larvae encircle the prey. The last time I fed them it looked like only one larva appeared. But I'm pretty certain that a few days ago I saw several larvae. Yes, I think there is enough room for each larva to build its own pit, because where I collected them there were several pits very near each other. I will continue to observe and then I'll post something in case anything new happens. |
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| crex |
Posted on 19-12-2007 08:41
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Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
Sounds interesting. Looking forward seeing a series of photos showing the development  What do you feed them? |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 19-12-2007 19:05
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Today I saw again many larvae in each trap. In one of them, there is a big larva and others that are smaller. I filmed (not very well) one of the smaller larvae that is in a trap where a big one lives, but I couldn?t manage to film both together  . I will continue to try.What do you feed them? I feed them with aphids because ants move a lot  . |
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| xylo |
Posted on 21-12-2007 11:00
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Hi all, breeding out wormlions seems a criptical hobby of dipterists. Me too.  Currently nursing some vermileonids from Italy and Morocco brought along by colleagues. I have never observed more than one larvae in a pit, but sometimes they are socialized with antlions at the same site. Very interesting your observation. Usually I feed them with ants. If you put the forage before in a fridge, they are immobilized and have no chance to escape. Hopefully the wormlion larvae get no bellyache due to the cold prey. Sometimes they also get some aphids as a candy. There is an overview article in the journal "Biologie in unserer Zeit" by Ludwig & Melzer dealing with worm-, antlions and tigerbeetles with nice photographs free available at: http://www3.inter...7/PDFSTART [German only] Happy Holidays, so long, xylo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-12-2007 20:31
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I will see this Wednesday if Andrade is telling us the truth  lol |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 26-12-2007 20:20
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Hmmm, ups, I believe that I unintentionally misled you people. After all it seems that there was only one larva per trap. I appologize for that and for breeding hope for something more interesting. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-12-2007 20:32
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I was with Andrade today, and I can confirm: I didn't see any Vermileonidae larva! IT is a lie!! lol I'm just kidding. I saw a very small baby larva of Vermileonidae! SO cute!   lol I have with me some Vermileonidae larvae hidden in the land.  |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 26-12-2007 20:38
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
LOL If you carried the case carefully in short time you should have the traps made . |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-12-2007 20:48
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I hope I have some Lampromyia sp. It would be great to see this fantastic fly with such long proboscis! |
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