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 Rhinophoridae ID ?
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| Svavar |
Posted on 28-08-2021 12:55
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Member Location: Posts: 73 Joined: 06.08.21 |
keyed this female rhinophorid fly to be a Phyto melanocephala (caught 19/8 Denmark), BUT ??? does it sometimes come without the median discal seta on tergites 3 key says: Tergites 3 and 4 with some strong discals as well as marginals Svavar attached the following image:  [56.18Kb] |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 28-08-2021 12:55
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Member Location: Posts: 73 Joined: 06.08.21 |
Svavar attached the following image:  [49.35Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-08-2021 15:00
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Please always mention place and date. This is an international forum, quite relevant to know if it is from Norway, Croatia or Corea. Yes, it looks like Phyto and no, it doen not look like melanocephala. There are more species, depending on location. Theo |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 28-08-2021 16:22
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3916 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Well, Theo did not read carefully  . Denmark, 19th August should be sufficient. I am no help with Phyto, though - sorry... Regards, Sundew |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-08-2021 17:18
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Sorry for my mistake. Denmark marrows its down… if you could provide a lateral shot of the head, that might help Theo |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 29-08-2021 20:06
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if you need me to focus on some seta, let me know Svavar attached the following image:  [51.12Kb] Edited by Svavar on 29-08-2021 20:07 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 30-08-2021 10:26
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I am getting more and more confused. It has Stevenia bristles on the parafacial ?? Could we please see a close-up of the thorax, lateral view, to establish whether the praealae bristle is strong or weak ? Thanks Theo |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 30-08-2021 16:29
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the prealar looks strong Svavar attached the following image:  [60.84Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 30-08-2021 17:03
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, I agree. So it is Phyto, as already suggested by the head profile. Need to think more Theo |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 30-08-2021 18:34
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melanocephala seems to be the only phyto species in denmark, so im starting to think the discals most have fallen of tg3, just cant see any scars or sockets |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 30-08-2021 18:54
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Wing venation disagrees with melanocephala: stalk too long. Hence the temporary confusion with Stevenia. Theo |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 30-08-2021 19:42
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cool if it turned out to be a stevenia,,,, their not recorded in denmark it seems |
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| Svavar |
Posted on 31-08-2021 14:17
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what do i do from here ?. just accept that its a phyto sp or is there somthing else we could check ? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 31-08-2021 17:46
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18823 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is a weird specimen, I do not dare to make the call without studying the specimen itself. If you are desperate , you can send it over. Give me a PM. Theo |
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