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 Stevenia deceptoria sl. << Stevenia (France)
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| CedricMondy |
Posted on 01-07-2021 09:53
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 Member Location: Île-de-France (France) Posts: 99 Joined: 30.06.21 |
Hello everyone, For this one, I managed to go to Stevenia and after discussion, we think it might be S. umbratica or S. kugleri. Thank you for your help!  Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 20/06/2021 Altitude : 39 m - Taille : 7.3 mm Réf. : 284800  Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 20/06/2021 Altitude : 39 m - Taille : 7.3 mm Réf. : 284801  Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 20/06/2021 Altitude : 39 m - Taille : 7.3 mm Réf. : 284808 Edited by CedricMondy on 12-06-2022 22:25 Cédric |
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| CedricMondy |
Posted on 05-07-2021 08:42
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Member Location: Île-de-France (France) Posts: 99 Joined: 30.06.21 |
Could someone help me for this one?
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-07-2021 08:55
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18529 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Neither. It is in the deceptoria complex. Species you mentioned are much darker Theo |
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| CedricMondy |
Posted on 05-07-2021 09:09
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Member Location: Île-de-France (France) Posts: 99 Joined: 30.06.21 |
Thank you Theo! I will try to check which species of this complex are known to be present in France and see if it seems possible to go further.
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-07-2021 11:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18529 Joined: 21.07.04 |
That makes snese, but you will find historic and conflicting opinions. It has to be sorted out properly. Theo |
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| CedricMondy |
Posted on 11-07-2021 14:15
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Member Location: Île-de-France (France) Posts: 99 Joined: 30.06.21 |
I'm afraid I am stuck with this one. To my knowledge, only acutangula, deceptoria, atramentaria and umbratica are listed to be present in France. I tried using this key to sort things out, but with no luck. I would discard acutangula because wing cell r4+5 is not with a short petiole. I first discarded deceptoria because tergites 1+2 to 4 usually were not with a clear yellow posterior margin and more and less red lateraly. I would also discard atramentaria because the body is not entirely black. We also noticed that this specimen has crossed post-ocellar setae, do you think this can help in any way? Otherwise, I will stay at Stevenia sp. Thank for your help! PS: there is also two species synonyms of Stevenia listed in France: Paykullia insularis and partenopea Edited by CedricMondy on 11-07-2021 14:17 Cédric |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-07-2021 16:55
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18529 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is deceptoria sl. no doubt but this might be a complex. And you might have at least two, if valid, in France Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-07-2021 16:55
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18529 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So get specimens and get DNA results !, Theo |
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| CedricMondy |
Posted on 11-07-2021 17:38
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Member Location: Île-de-France (France) Posts: 99 Joined: 30.06.21 |
Thank you for the confirmation Theo. Unfortunately, I am afraid that DNA analyses are a bit beyond my means  But if someone is interested and I get again one of these, I would be happy to send the specimen.Greetings! Cédric |
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