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 Fly from Sochi
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 21-11-2005 21:19
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After regarding Xespok's fly http://www.dipter...#post_3839 I decided to show this one, Sochi, mid nov, forest, 10-11mm. At the field and than I was sure that it is Scathopagidae and so, I have to show it to Andrey Ozerov someday. Now I'm not as sure. I also don't think it may be leaf mining fly, I met it two times only and both times near/on dog's dunk.  
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 23-11-2005 16:32
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
If the silence means that fly's family is doubtfull, than it may be interesting! In this case I add two more images I have.  
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-11-2005 12:33
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
According Andrey Ozerov it is all Dryope flaveola (= ex. Dryomyza flaveola) (also discribed as "Dryomyza zavadsky" . This is winter, blackish morpha.
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-11-2005 12:53
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
LoL, I thought about Dryomyzidae but thought they had spines along the costa. Just did not take to to double check. Glad Andrey solved it now. 
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-11-2005 13:30
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. Thank you Paul. 2. After half year in Entomology I becoming sure that time of teza/antiteza keys is over. We need new computer key! The key for all visible caracters on image (or all caracters which user understand). Even short family information in Netherlands checklist... is in 90% cases enoght for family identification, but practicaly difficult to use. This new key will lead to one Family or to 5 possible families out of 150. Even the stupid fact that some arista present help to exclude one family! Than one can look images of this 5 families and find right fly. 3. I'll start this work (organisation and finance) in short future. May be we'll get something useable till start of next field season. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 24-11-2005 13:30
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I have to admit that when Nikita wrote it was a driomyzid, my first thought was: Don't they have spines on the costa? Jan Willem |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-11-2005 13:34
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Hi Jan. I'm so glad to know that Heleo/Dryomyzidae deja vue is not only my problem! Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-11-2005 13:41
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Nikita, Can you inform with Andrey why he uses the name Dryope? The older name is Dryomyza and flaveola is the type species of that genus (according to my knwoledge, see, e.g., http://hbs.bishop...zidae.html). As far as i know, the only reason why another genus name can then be applied for a species is when there was a case of misidentified type species. Under the previous Code for Zoological Nomenclature that required a ruling of the commission to establish the correct name (maybe there but I could not find it). I am not aware of the present rules, though. Sorry for any scientific lingo, that may be incomprehensible for the laymen among us. Maybe you can convince Andrey to become member of the site, so he can answer himself.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-11-2005 13:56
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
As far as I understant Andrey, somebody (not him) make new revision of genus names in Dryomyzidae and according it the realy prioritet name have to be Dryope for Dryomyza and Dryomyza for Neuroctena. As far as I understand this article is "in press". I do and I'll do my best to convince Andrey to became Diptera member. I'll ask him about Dryomyzidae nomenclature. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-11-2005 14:16
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Andrey says, that yes it is new anpublished yet article on which hi wrote reply.
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