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Nikita Vikhrev
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Posted on 21-11-2005 21:19
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After regarding Xespok's fly
http://www.dipter...#post_3839
I decided to show this one, Sochi, mid nov, forest, 10-11mm.
At the field and than I was sure that it is Scathopagidae and so, I have to show it to Andrey Ozerov someday. Now I'm not as sure.
I also don't think it may be leaf mining fly, I met it two times only and both times near/on dog's dunk.
www.diptera.info/forim/5-1015-1.jpg
www.diptera.info/forim/5-1015-2.jpg
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If the silence means that fly's family is doubtfull, than it may be interesting!
In this case I add two more images I have.
www.diptera.info/forim/5-1015-3.jpg
www.diptera.info/forim/5-1015-4.jpg
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According Andrey Ozerov it is all Dryope flaveola (= ex. Dryomyza flaveola) (also discribed as "Dryomyza zavadsky"Wink. This is winter, blackish morpha.
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LoL, I thought about Dryomyzidae but thought they had spines along the costa. Just did not take to to double check. Glad Andrey solved it now. Smile
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1. Thank you Paul.
2. After half year in Entomology I becoming sure that time of teza/antiteza keys is over. We need new computer key! The key for all visible caracters on image (or all caracters which user understand). Even short family information in Netherlands checklist... is in 90% cases enoght for family identification, but practicaly difficult to use. This new key will lead to one Family or to 5 possible families out of 150. Even the stupid fact that some arista present help to exclude one family! Than one can look images of this 5 families and find right fly.
3. I'll start this work (organisation and finance) in short future. May be we'll get something useable till start of next field season.
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I have to admit that when Nikita wrote it was a driomyzid, my first thought was: Don't they have spines on the costa?

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Hi Jan.
I'm so glad to know that Heleo/Dryomyzidae deja vue is not only my problem!
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Nikita,

Can you inform with Andrey why he uses the name Dryope? The older name is Dryomyza and flaveola is the type species of that genus (according to my knwoledge, see, e.g., http://hbs.bishop...zidae.html). As far as i know, the only reason why another genus name can then be applied for a species is when there was a case of misidentified type species. Under the previous Code for Zoological Nomenclature that required a ruling of the commission to establish the correct name (maybe there but I could not find it). I am not aware of the present rules, though.

Sorry for any scientific lingo, that may be incomprehensible for the laymen among us. Maybe you can convince Andrey to become member of the site, so he can answer himself. Smile
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As far as I understant Andrey, somebody (not him) make new revision of genus names in Dryomyzidae and according it the realy prioritet name have to be Dryope for Dryomyza and Dryomyza for Neuroctena.
As far as I understand this article is "in press".
I do and I'll do my best to convince Andrey to became Diptera member.
I'll ask him about Dryomyzidae nomenclature.
Nikita
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Andrey says, that yes it is new anpublished yet article on which hi wrote reply.
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