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Posted on 21-11-2005 17:37
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Stratiomyidae? Xylophagidae? A very elegant and sizable fly. Did not get any response for this on the Japanese diptera forum.
www.diptera.info/forim/5-1007-1.jpg
 
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It has the feel of Rhagionidae. If you can get Nagatomi to have a look at it...
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The wing venation indeed looks like those of other Rhagionidae species.

http://xespok.net...1000026144

But the jizz of this fly was drasticly different. Also this is a giant species compaeref with others.

But I observed only Chrysospilus and Rhagio spp. so far, at least as far as my identified Rhagionidae are concerned. But there are around 5-6 more smaller genera around in Honshu.
 
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Paul Beuk wrote:
It has the feel of Rhagionidae. If you can get Nagatomi to have a look at it...


Is Nagatomi still alive? There are descriptions from him from the early 50s, so he must be well into his late seventies at least.
 
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I know there were a number of papers a few years back and I have not heard that he died.
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Could this be Coenomyiidae? I have never seen a fly of this family (in a collection or live). They should be rhagionid-like but larger on average (around 2 cm for many genera). Illustrations in Vol 2 of the Key to the insects of Russian Far East show similar general habitus and wing & thorax pattern. But similar characters are also found in other related families (Athericidae, Xylomyidae in addition to those mentioned above).

Nagatomi & Saigusa have published a paper on Japanese Coenomyiidae in 1970 (Mem. Fac. Agr. Kagashima Univ. Vol 7:257-292). Perhaps you could find this paper?

No, I don't read RussianSad, I have the Keys for the illustrations alone. This is very unfortunate since much of the literature for our nice taiga/tundra zone flies is in Russian.
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http://www.pref.e...970_4.html
http://home.hccne...ENO_NW.HTM

The only two images I could find of Coenomyiidae. They look quite different. In Japan there are seven described species:
http://furumusi.a...5%D6%B2%CA

Hardly anyting can be found on any of these flies on the net.
 
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There is not too much info on Xylomyiidae, but what I found out so far looks much better:

http://cedarcreek...002ap.html
http://www.museum...ologie.htm

The list of species in Japan:

http://furumusi.a...5%ad%b2%ca

Solva spp. look quite different, but Xylomya spp look rather similar. I think we are getting closert to this.
 
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