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 Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Miltogramma cf. punctata
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-08-2007 19:56
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Hi * locality - Silgueiros - Viseu - PORTUGAL * date - 2007.08.21 * size - 7 mm (medium fly) * habitat - open land * substrate - on stone (sandy hard soils) I think this is Craticulina sp. EDIT---> Title changed from "Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Craticulina sp. ?" to "Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Miltogramma cf. punctatum" and then to "Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae - Miltogramma cf. punctata" SEE HERE the reason --> http://www.dipter...ad_id=8338 jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [185.86Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 09-10-2007 16:42 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-08-2007 20:38
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Why ? Why not Miltogramma ? Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-08-2007 20:40
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
it was a supposition. I don?t know well (yet) the Miltogramminae.  I will upload more photos later. (other views) For now (and other subject): Theo, do you know which is the biggest tabanid we have in Iberian Peninsula? (known so far.) And what about the size.. Thanks! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-08-2007 22:19
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
frontal view. Very nice gena!
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-08-2007 22:28
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
other..
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 23-08-2007 08:36
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It's Miltogramma punctatum or allied, look at the peculiar hairs on first tarsus ! Liekele might be more specific (I'm not into Iberian Miltogramminae) Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 23-08-2007 21:01
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
thanks, Theo. You forgot this question: "For now (and other subject): Theo, do you know which is the biggest tabanid we have in Iberian Peninsula? (known so far.) And what about the size.." |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-08-2007 09:47
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Tabanus sudeticus is the biggest in Europe, I guess you have it in the Pyrenees (no, I know for sure).. Length up to 25 mm. And T. barbarus in Andalucia is magnificant. T. rectus can get really large as well Both up to 24 mm. All claims of longer horseflies by estimation, not measurement, are unreliable. A horsefly of 25 mm. is estimated to be 50 mm. in the field ! (however, 50 mm. is more than a female Scolia flavifrons, you know this species). Why ? Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2007 11:51
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Because a friend of mine caught a 3 cm tabanid. He confirmed that it is very similar to Tabanus sudeticus. Ican be another species though... He caught it in Sagres - PORTUGAL. I know many Scolia, and Megascolia (this is really impressive for a wasp - I have one with 4 cm lenght!!!! It is MEGA  )
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| crex |
Posted on 24-08-2007 11:57
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 Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote: Because a friend of mine caught a 3 cm tabanid. He confirmed that it is very similar to Tabanus sudeticus. Ican be another species though... He caught it in Sagres - PORTUGAL. ... Let's see photos |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-08-2007 15:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Measure it when dried, it's not larger than 27 mm Wanna bet ? Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2007 20:48
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Crex, photos will be available just when my friend gives to me the fly.. Theo, the dried fly measures 25 mm. You can play in EUROMILLION. My friend reported that he saw big pustules on a cow... and he said that the tabanid got out from those pustules  I think this is not possible due the fact that larvae tabanids evolve in water... So what could it be? Any clue?He reports too that he saw bigger flies (tabanids) than the specimen he has. I think our tabanids are much bigger than the nearctic ones. (sorry, Tony)
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| Tony T |
Posted on 24-08-2007 22:16
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 Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 662 Joined: 08.02.07 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote: My friend reported that he saw big pustules on a cow... and he said that the tabanid got out from those pustules He reports too that he saw bigger flies (tabanids) than the specimen he has. I think our tabanids are much bigger than the nearctic ones. (sorry, Tony) Personally, I would not put too much faith in your friend's abilities at identifying tabanids or estimating size
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2007 22:53
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
lol my friend knows what is really tabanid or what is not!  and he knows use a ruler.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-08-2007 23:02 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-08-2007 09:59
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Very interesting the pustules or warbles as they are called. This is clearly the larvae of Hypoderma, either bovis or lineatum. Collect !!!! Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 25-08-2007 11:45
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I suppose that Hypodermatidae was before in Oestridae family? Is it right? My friend told that those flies appears ONLY in a short days (2 weeks to 3 weeks) and always in the hottest weather. I don't have any cows near.  |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-08-2007 14:12
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Hypodermatidae ? I wrote Hypoderma. Hypodermatidae are still considered to be a subfamily only (Hypodermatinae) in the OEstridae. But various authors have various opinions on the phylogeny of OEstridae s.l. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 25-08-2007 14:23
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Theo, thanks! I know.. It was a question because I see that some authors think the Hypodermatidae as family. See here from Siberian Zoological Museum (this is another museum I'd like to visit..) http://szmn.sbras...poderm.htm >> Great news for you: I found two spectacular tachinids. One is all golden, and the other one has some unusual colourful eyes!
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-08-2007 16:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I've been in Novosibirsk, actually they have more species than listed, like the magnificant Portshinskyia ! Anyway, different authors treat the (su  family-status of Hypodermatid/nae differently.Currently there seems to be consensus to unite all bot/warble flies into 1 family: Oestridae. (even Gastrophilinae included). Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 25-08-2007 22:05
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
And there is NO virtually any info in the net about Portshinskyia . It is extremely rare when we googling it doesn?t appear at all any info about the word typed. Even in the scholar.google.com or yahoo.com It must be a treasure!
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 26-08-2007 01:31 |
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