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male Rondania dispar from Valdelinares - Spain
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 Spotted this beauty at more 1600 m.
It was in the highest point in Valdelinares...

Which this 3 mm phasiin could be?

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bad photo. out of of focus.
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 Rondania dispar, I think
Edited by neprisikiski on 31-08-2009 12:24
Erikas
 
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 that would make this as a male of Rondania dispar...
 
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 The abdominal pattern and length of stalk suggest to me a male of Graphogaster. Moreover, i think i see a hairlike third IA'bristle'.

Jorge can easily check this hypothesis:

prosternum hairy -> Graphogaster
prosternum bare -> Rondania
 
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 I used a small hand loupe and it seems bare the prosternum. I will try to take photos in this zone.
 
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 Hmm, check very carefully ... it is very hard to see Pfft
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 what is the approximate size of those hairs??
 
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 Incredibly small - very tiny black hairs, often around the edge and can be just 1 hair Smile and you are looking at the smallest piece of chitin between and infront of the front legs in the centre - almost under the 'chin'. Smile
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 i know where is it. But my doubt resides only in the lenght of the possible hairs. Wink ok.. I must seek carefully for any very small ~"hair".
 
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 Yeah, they can be very small but should be clearly visible at about 40x magnification. Smile
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 Not clearly to see... really 40x magnification is needed.
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 It seems, that my hypothesis was better Grin
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 I will confirm this week the ID. I will have access to a stereomicroscope.. so I can see better the prosternum. Smile
 
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 HOw long is the stalk in the wing anyway ?
I just noticed we actually can't see on the pics.


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 here a photo of the wings with m vein stalked...
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 OK, not as long as I suspected. Erikas might be right.

Still, hairs on prosternum are decisive.

These are very long and obvious in Graphogaster

Theo
 
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