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Pupae in Robin's nest
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blowave |
Posted on 30-05-2013 19:44
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi, I had a Robin's nest in my garden, three of the five young died. After the remainder fledged I checked the nest and found three of these pupae. I read that Protocalliphora azurea parasitise nests but can't find any pupae photos. They must have either hatched by now or been eaten. 21st May near Lincoln UK. Janet blowave attached the following image: [141.75Kb] http://cubits.org... |
blowave |
Posted on 30-05-2013 19:44
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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blowave |
Posted on 30-05-2013 19:45
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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atylotus |
Posted on 04-06-2013 10:51
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Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1140 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Looks more like a larva. and what about Piophilidae? |
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blowave |
Posted on 04-06-2013 11:09
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
atylotus wrote: Looks more like a larva. and what about Piophilidae? When I first saw them they had a sort of head which they stuck out and wriggled to cover. The next day they barely moved but one did manage to move partly into the nest material and I didn't see the 'head' so thought they were at the stage of pupating. The nest had been disturbed after that. probably by a bird. I should have put the size which I think was around 8mm, wouldn't that be too big for Piophilidae? http://cubits.org... |
Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 04-06-2013 13:24
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Member Location: Posts: 3451 Joined: 28.12.07 |
Neottiophila, the bird nest parasite of the Piophilidae, is not so small, guess, it must have a pupa c. 5-7 mm long. This your "pupa" is actually a prepupa, a larva just befor pupation. But, otherwise, sorry, I cannot tell, what's this. Val |
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blowave |
Posted on 04-06-2013 13:58
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Nosferatumyia wrote: Neottiophila, the bird nest parasite of the Piophilidae, is not so small, guess, it must have a pupa c. 5-7 mm long. This your "pupa" is actually a prepupa, a larva just befor pupation. But, otherwise, sorry, I cannot tell, what's this. Thank you Valery, the nest is on a concrete slab but otherwise scattered. I had thought they would have hatched by now or been eaten by a bird. I can investigate to see what I can find, the bird carcasses look dried now. How long would it take them to hatch? I can only find one example here of Neottiophila. http://www.dipter...#post_6810 It's Neottiophilum? http://www.dipter...lbum_id=37 http://cubits.org... |
Andrzej |
Posted on 04-06-2013 14:08
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2363 Joined: 05.01.06 |
http://www.miiz.w...tr49-2.pdf - an abstract on the paper on Neottiophilum puparium by Draber-Monko. Andrzej
Edited by Andrzej on 04-06-2013 14:11 dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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blowave |
Posted on 04-06-2013 14:46
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Andrzej wrote: http://www.miiz.w...tr49-2.pdf - an abstract on the paper on Neottiophilum puparium by Draber-Monko. Andrzej Are you able to get the abstract Andrzej? We're in luck, I found all three pupae! I have taken photos but if anyone wants them I will gladly send them, or alternatively advice on how to keep these so I can see what hatches. I don't think I would kill them though. http://cubits.org... |
blowave |
Posted on 04-06-2013 15:40
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I looked again and now have 7 pupae!
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blowave |
Posted on 05-06-2013 13:05
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I found a pdf with descriptions of the larvae and pupae of Neottiophilum praeustum. When fully grown the larvae are 10.5 mm. long and 2.8 mm across the middle. The anterior portion of the body is narrow and pointed and the posterior is wide. The segmentation is not well marked and is partly hidden by accessory protuberances and transverse folds. The head and mouth are adapted for the parasitic mode of life, quite unlike an ordinary carrion-feeding blow-fly. When fully fed the larva may become dormant and remain in the nest for some months before pupation. The pupa is blackish and retains the characteristic shape of the larva, even the segmentation, and it is thus easily recognisable from the pupa of Protocalliphora which is smooth and like that of a blow-fly. The pupae remain in the nest until the following spring when the flies emerge, usually in March, April and May. http://www.britis...mp;id=3183 The shape of the pre pupa larva is the reverse, the pupae are only slightly narrower at the posterior end. I will edit the photos and post them soon. They don't seem to be Protocalliphora either. http://cubits.org... |
blowave |
Posted on 05-06-2013 14:06
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
The pupae, ~6mm give or take.
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blowave |
Posted on 05-06-2013 14:07
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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blowave |
Posted on 05-06-2013 14:07
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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andrzej grzywacz |
Posted on 13-06-2013 21:49
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 103 Joined: 09.02.08 |
Your larva is indeed Protocalliphora. It can be P. azurea, but I am not able to identify species. On the first photo you can see characteristic ring of spines surrounding pseudocephalon at the bottom. |
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blowave |
Posted on 13-06-2013 22:17
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
andrzej grzywacz wrote: Your larva is indeed Protocalliphora. It can be P. azurea, but I am not able to identify species. On the first photo you can see characteristic ring of spines surrounding pseudocephalon at the bottom. Thank you Andrzej! We only have P. azurea. The pupae were still there when I looked yesterday. http://www.dipter...p?id=13124 http://cubits.org... |
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