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 Stratiomyidae, which Stratiomys? => Stratyomis chamaeleon
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| dirk |
Posted on 05-08-2013 21:09
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Member Location: Oslo / Norway Posts: 20 Joined: 22.03.12 |
Hello forum, Stratiomys from 10.07.2013 in Germany, South Bavaria, East-Allgäu, close to Neuschwanstein castle, ca. 850 m NN, (on wild carot – Daucus carota subsp. carota?) on a strip between a road and a meadow. Nearby forest. Length about 15 mm. I tend to Stratyomis chamaeleon due to abdominal pattern. But I am not quite sure about it. Stratyomis potamida seems to be much more common and is S. chamaelon registered for Germany? Looking forward to expert opinion. Thanks in advance. Dirk dirk attached the following image:  [79.55Kb] Edited by dirk on 15-08-2013 09:46 |
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| dirk |
Posted on 05-08-2013 21:11
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Member Location: Oslo / Norway Posts: 20 Joined: 22.03.12 |
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dirk attached the following image:  [79.43Kb] Edited by dirk on 05-08-2013 21:24 |
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| dirk |
Posted on 05-08-2013 21:12
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Member Location: Oslo / Norway Posts: 20 Joined: 22.03.12 |
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dirk attached the following image:  [79.88Kb] Edited by dirk on 05-08-2013 21:24 |
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| dirk |
Posted on 14-08-2013 22:14
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Member Location: Oslo / Norway Posts: 20 Joined: 22.03.12 |
Hello again, I start to wonder whether this might rather be just another specimen of the recently newly-discovered Stratiomys noidea? Your comment would be really appreciated! Best regards Dirk |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-08-2013 22:41
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
As far as I can see it is S. chamaeleon
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 14-08-2013 22:45
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
In the UK I'd be tempted to say Stratiomys chamaeleon, from the yellow tibiae and wedge-shaped spots on the abdomen ... but you might have other species 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-08-2013 22:54
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
No, Chris, I really think it is S. chamaeleon. The spots fit the description also the sternites
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| dirk |
Posted on 14-08-2013 23:18
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Member Location: Oslo / Norway Posts: 20 Joined: 22.03.12 |
Hi Ruud and Chris, thanks to both of you for your opinion! @ Chris: No, I think it stands between Stratiomys chamaeleon and S. potamida. I first also considered S. concinna and S. cenisa for being candidates, just by generell appearance. They look very similar, but S. concinna has a dark red/reddish 3rd antennae segment (while this fly here has completely black ones) and S. cenisa is definately not known north of the alpes. Regards Dirk |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-08-2013 00:40
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
No, the markings on the tergites of concinna and cenisa are different.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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but don't see the image in the post.