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 Sarcophagidae, Oebalia minuta (ID by Theo Zeegers and Liekele Sijstermans)
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 24-08-2006 11:25
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 Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Size 5mm. [Subject edited to show a correct family label, Sarcophagidae instead of Tachinidae] July 04, 2010, subject changed from Sarcophagidae at my balcony, 23.08.2006 to Sarcophagidae, Oebalia minuta (ID by Theo Zeegers and Liekele Sijstermans) Dmitry Gavryushin attached the following image:  [120Kb] Edited by Dmitry Gavryushin on 04-07-2010 11:21 |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 24-08-2006 11:26
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
A (more or less) dorsal view.
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 24-08-2006 11:27
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
The head.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2006 11:40
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Please confirm if I did mark correctly M vein. As I saw here before, I suppose that tachinid flies have a bend in M vein... thank you!
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 24-08-2006 12:17
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Yes there's a bend in M, but I'm afraid you marked a different vein red  (that is, Cu). |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-08-2006 13:03
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19268 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Vein M is the one across which you wrote bend. The bend is forwards.  Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2006 13:45
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Black wrote: Yes there's a bend in M, but I'm afraid you marked a different vein red (that is, Cu).Cu!  It has so many meanings. Cu = symbol of copper (chemical element). it could meaning Cu vein in dipters. And it could be a little funny word for Portuguese. )Ok. I think I know which is M vein. Thanks! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2006 13:46
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Vein M is the one across which you wrote bend. The bend is forwards. I think now this correct. I hope! I added too C vein... jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [182.63Kb] |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 24-08-2006 14:19
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
OK with C - yet I think you still don't see the M bend clearly - it's closer to the vein's end, where it is supposed to reach the wing margin - and it doesn't curving upwards instead |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-08-2006 14:48
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Black wrote: OK with C - yet I think you still don't see the M bend clearly - it's closer to the vein's end, where it is supposed to reach the wing margin - and it doesn't curving upwards insteadLet?s see now... hope that FINALLY it is correct... jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [179.95Kb] |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 24-08-2006 15:56
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Looks better. To my understanding the M vein goas all along the wing, so the combination of the last two images would be an even better way to show it. Now you can see that the M vein does have a bend! Tachinidae, Rhinophoidae, Sarcophagidae and Calliphoridae have this bend. Muscidae may have a slight bend, but typically it is more like a curve. Anthomyiidae does not have a bend, the M vein goes straiht or at most slightly curved. Of course the difference between a curve and a bend is philosophical. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 24-08-2006 16:24
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Yup - that looks better ... vein M usually either continues straight towards the wing edge (most muscids or anthomyids) or bends sharply forwards, as here in this tachinid.  |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 24-08-2006 16:36
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Can't quite see all the necessary features but if the depression doesn't reach the posterior edge of T1+2 AND it has only black hairs behind the head at the top then it could be Eloceria delecta... but I am not confident about this ID - I have never seen it before and it looks like something we don't have here in the UK. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-08-2006 19:58
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18619 Joined: 21.07.04 |
A Tachinid, is it ? My first impression is that of Oebalia minuta, which is in Sarcophagidae - Miltogramminae. The fold to bend M and the 1 ad-bristle on tibia 2 are consistent with this ID, as is the general head shape and largely crassate arista. Theo Zeegers |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 25-08-2006 08:34
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks a lot Chris and Theo - so it is quite probably NOT a Tachinidae at all - I also hesitated which family label to choose, I think it's the same fold in M region that confused me |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-08-2006 11:10
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18619 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Well, it is difficult The fold extending from the bend in vein M is present and strong in (virtually ?) all Sarcophagidae, Miltogramminae included. It is uncommon in Tachinidae. However, it does occur there, for instance in the tribe Exoristini and in several other genera like Linnaemyia, Zeuxia to name some. So: No fold -> no Sarcophagidae Fold -> Sarcophagidae or one of those 10 % of Tachinidae Life is not simple Theo |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 25-08-2006 11:15
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks again Theo - you're quite right about (that) life - even more interesting, though |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 03-07-2010 01:44
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Somehow I never gave my opinion on this specimen. My first and last impression is Oebalia minuta (formerly known as Oebalia rufitarsis). Liekele |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 04-07-2010 11:19
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Many thanks Liekele. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-07-2010 11:24
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Gallery, please, Dima. |
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