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 Neoleria inscripta (corr. Andrzej)
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 13-09-2010 22:28
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Small fly (about 5 mm) from alcohol, found in Norway, North: 6577810 East: 287417 Skår, Karmøy What Heleomyzidae could this be..... Joke javanerkelens attached the following image:  [126.24Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 15-09-2010 18:42 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 13-09-2010 22:29
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
another view
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 13-09-2010 22:30
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
view in genital
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-09-2010 08:31
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Joke, I think it is Neoleria, but I want to look in my collection which species it exactly is flavicornis or ruficeps. Is it possible to take a photo of the mesopleuron, sternopleuron and hind femur? A pity that in the Hungarian key there are not drawings of the genitalia of Neoleria. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 14-09-2010 21:17
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I hope this wil do... Because i stick the needle into the mesopleuron, where maybe one hair could be present, i checked under microscoop if there could be an seta behind the needle....with no result (also on other side) On sternopleuron 5-6 short hairs before the strong and long one at end Joke javanerkelens attached the following image:  [118.99Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 14-09-2010 21:19 |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-09-2010 21:41
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I would say N. ruficeps. It is quite strange that of so many genera you find drawings of genitals, but not for Neoleria. Why is that Andrzej? ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 14-09-2010 21:50
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Thanks Ruud ! Joke |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 15-09-2010 13:21
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2343 Joined: 05.01.06 |
grrr ... It is Neoleria inscripta ! Andrzej dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-09-2010 13:40
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
First question: why grrrrrr? ;-) secondly, I do not have the key here, so ....as far as I know by heart inscripta's abdomen is dark coloured. thirdly: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THE TIME? :-) Ruud ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 15-09-2010 13:46
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2343 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hi, the answer is in your last words: I do not have the key here, so ....as far as I know by heart inscripta's abdomen is dark coloured. thirdly: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THE TIME I don't discuss about my free time. I was at really very long holidays ! (I haven't any similar since 2007) Regards, Andrzej Edited by Andrzej on 15-09-2010 13:51 dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-09-2010 13:59
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Well, Andrzej, I am very happy you are back in the real....sorry....virtual world! Ruud ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 15-09-2010 18:39
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Yes....it can happen, the other one.. Make just another label.... Neoleria inscripta it is! Joke |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-09-2010 19:44
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Andrzej, if you are looking at the first picture of Joke, I think, you see a bristle on the hind femur (apical). As far as I see in Papp's key, inscripta has not. Secondly, he mentions that ruficauda and inscripta have a darkgrey abdomen. To my humble opinion the fly on the photo has a yellowish abdomen. You do not agree with the key of Laci? cheers, Ruud ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 16-09-2010 21:03
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Hello Andrzej, I checked all Neoleria, which i have here from the collection in Amsterdam. Indeed, the inscripta (only 1!) has beautiful yellow-orange humeri! And all the real ruficeps have grey humeri. Also in my own collection the ruficeps specimens have such coloured humeri. I do not have specimens over inscripta, and the only one from Amsterdam's collection has no hind legs (grrrr!) so I can not verify the bristle. The ruficeps for sure have. For me still weird is that one Joke's first photo I see an apical bristle on the third femur, or am I stupid? And in Laci's key on page 50 at point 4(3) says that the last pair of femur have no bristle! This lead to ruficauda and inscripta. Andrzej, it is wisdom to chance this 4(3)? Problem is that it also says that the abdomen is darkgrey (at least partly). Which key do you use, if you still want to check? cheers, ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 16-09-2010 21:45
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Hello Ruud, I did a quick look at the remaining flies in alcohol, i still have to ID, and probable there will be 1 female and 2 males, of the same species (and 1 male seems to have darker abdomen, but difficult to be sure if they are in alcohol) I will look at them this weekend and try not to damage them  One female + male for the collection in Amsterdam ,with legs... and one for you.....and one left for me...OK?I wil try to make nice photo's of them also... So we have more study material....thanks to Hakon! Joke |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 16-09-2010 21:56
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
you are such a great person, Joke ;-)
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 16-09-2010 22:11
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 Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Andrzej has identified N. inscripta from this location earlier. Joke's flies were collected from a dead rat where they were quite abundant. Glad I could help Hyperbolizer |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 16-09-2010 22:34
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I never knew why, but I know why I have such sympathy for rats...dead ones..that is. ;-)
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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but don't see the image in the post.