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 Hydrophoria sp.? (Hydrophoria diabata/lancifer(male)
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 26-03-2012 08:24
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Anthomyiidae_Hydrophoria sp.(male) is correct? Region Malá Fatra Terchová about 600 m above sea level. Thank you very much for your help. I made a photo of 20.05.2011.
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 26-03-2012 08:25
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[quote]Mucha Fero wrote:
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 26-03-2012 08:25
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[quote]Mucha Fero wrote:
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 26-03-2012 11:21
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Hydrophoria diabata/lancifer. (The epandrium seems long and narrow, but I think you would need a specimen to be sure. Opinions?) |
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 27-03-2012 06:03
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Stephen thank you very much. |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 27-03-2012 10:58
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Here is an extract from my key. I will try to post a some figures later 1 Epandrium in profile longer than high, the sides distinctly shining. Surstylus in caudal view narrower in apical half diabata Pand. – Epandrium shorter, the sides only very slightly shining. Surstylus in caudal view wider in apical half lancifer Harris |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 27-03-2012 11:23
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
I don't know if these PDF's will work? |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 27-03-2012 11:24
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Obviously not!! |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 27-03-2012 17:51
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Thank you for trying! I don't think Fero has the specimen, so I was speculating idly. I have your Plate 32, and it occurred to me that this one might have had a chance of turning out to be H. diabata given better evidence. At least the st5 processes look quite beefy! But without the specimen... |
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 27-03-2012 19:37
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Stephen What can I do that I possessed specimens. I do not understand the above discussions. Thank you very much. Mucha Fero |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 28-03-2012 11:34
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
A specimen is the dead body of the fly, which can be examined with a microscope. You need to catch the fly, preserve it in alcohol and send it to an expert. With only a photograph it is often impossible to know the exact species. |
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 28-03-2012 12:39
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Hi Stephen Thank you for the information. I think that to not be too professional. For me it is important stay in the beautiful countryside. Sincerely, Fero Mucha. |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 28-03-2012 16:22
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Many of us make the same choice  |
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 28-03-2012 17:04
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Hi Stephen Indeed, this is so and that's good. Mucha Fero |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 28-03-2012 23:52
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According to the key from Ackland ! HYDROPHORIA Males 1 Mid femur and hind femur completely yellow................................................................................. linogrisea Mg. – Mid femur and hind femur mainly dark................................................................................................................. 2 2 Prealar seta at least as long as posterior notopleural seta. Abdomen without dark foremarginal bands. sternite V with setae on inner margin of processes clustered in apical half or medially........................................................ 3 – Prealar seta shorter than posterior notopleural seta. Abdomen with dark foremarginal bands. sternite V with setae on inner margin clustered near base............................................................................................................. 4 3 Epandrium in profile longer than high, the sides distinctly shining. Surstylus in caudal view narrower in apical half................................................................................................................................................... diabata Pand. – Epandrium shorter, the sides only very slightly shining. Surstylus in caudal view wider in apical half ........................................................................................................................................................ lancifer Harris 4 Abdomen generally with translucent yellowish areas at base. Tibiae more or less yellow, at least in basal half .............................................................................................................................................................. ruralis Mg. – Abdomen darker in ground colour. Tibiae dark ................................................................................. silvicola R.D javanerkelens attached the following image:  [127.74Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 29-03-2012 00:01 |
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| Mucha Fero |
Posted on 29-03-2012 06:45
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Hi javanerkelens Thank you very much for important information for understanding Hydrophoria. Mucha Fero |
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but don't see the image in the post.