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 Phaonia trimaculata. Confirmed.
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 18:25
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 Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Coastal area in southern Spain Photograph taken on October, 27, 2011, in the wetlands of the Su�rez Pond, in Motril, Granada, Spain. Immediate area of the Mediterranean coast. Approximate size, no antennae or tails 8 mm Click over the image increases in size  I add this detail from another photo taken at the same fly, which shows two of the legs.  I would appreciate your help identifying this dipterous Best Regards Edited by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 22:58 |
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| Sara21392 |
Posted on 29-10-2011 18:54
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Looks like Anthomyiidae! 
Sincerely yours Sara |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 19:24
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Sara21392 wrote: Looks like Anthomyiidae! I appreciate your help, Sara. I tried to find similarities with antomidae uploaded to the Gallery, but I failed to find any similar enough. Edit the title with your proposal to try to advance identification. A warm greeting. |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 29-10-2011 20:12
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 Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Looks like a Muscidae Phaonia Similar to; http://www.dipter...to_id=7788 Don't know if it is the same one though.  |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 21:17
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Roger Thomason wrote: Looks like a Muscidae Phaonia Similar to; http://www.dipter...to_id=7788 Don't know if it is the same one though. Many thanks for your information, Roger. In my ignorance, I guess I agree in gender with the photo Phaonia mentioned link. But, although I admit my ignorance on the subject, I suppose it is a different species. At least, I see very different drawings of the back. Do you think I can be wrong and be the same species.? In any case, comparing the drawings of the back, it would be more similar to the Graphomya minor this another link: http://www.dipter...to_id=3409 Regards Edited by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 21:37 |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 29-10-2011 21:53
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Pepe  it is Muscidae for sure. And I would say that you nailed the genus: Graphomya.I would say it is a female Graphomya maculata, which is a very common fly in Spain (and lovely too ) But there is a chance it is the much, much more scarce Graphomya minor. To confirm the species, it is necessary to see the bristles on the tibia. If you have a lateral view showing the 'hairs' on the legs well, it would be fantastic |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:05
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Piluca_Alvarez wrote: Pepe it is Muscidae for sure. And I would say that you nailed the genus: Graphomya.I would say it is a female Graphomya maculata, which is a very common fly in Spain (and lovely too ) But there is a chance it is the much, much more scarce Graphomya minor. To confirm the species, it is necessary to see the bristles on the tibia. If you have a lateral view showing the 'hairs' on the legs well, it would be fantastic I am glad to meet again, Piluca. And grateful for the information pointed to me. I think I took another picture. I will review them and see if you can see the detail of the hairs on the legs to show me. If I find, then go up. Kind regards |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:30
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
I've added a detail of the legs that can be seen in another photo from the same fly, although it is a dorsal view. In the legs that are observed, some sows are appreciated, but not if you are the hairs that could identify Graphomya minor. regards |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:37
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
I'm no expert but the acrostichal setae don't match your suggested Graphomya and neither does the wing venation. I still think it is some Phaonia.... |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:38
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Hi again, Pepe! Well, that picture shows well the median tibia and I cannot see a trace of an anterodorsal bristle. That means that it is indeed Graphomya maculata. All is fine if I am not mistaken and it is a Graphomya species. Better wait for Stephane or Nikita to confirm I am far, far away from being an expert on this |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:43
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
OMG!! Missed Roger's post and he is right. Venation doesn't match the one of Graphomya   Funny that I am obsessed with venations and forgot to check that this time If it is Phaonia, there is little I can do then  They are too difficult for me
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 29-10-2011 22:45 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:52
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
1 point for Roger, this is Phaonia trimaculata.
Stephane. |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 29-10-2011 22:59
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Thanks Stephane...your cheque is in the post |
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| Larry Shone |
Posted on 29-10-2011 23:01
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 Member Location: Darlington UK Posts: 187 Joined: 08.05.10 |
Lovely fly, and photo! |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 29-10-2011 23:06
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Roger Thomason, Piluca_Alvarez, Stephane Lebrun: I acknowledge my ignorance once again to identify insects to photograph, and especially Diptera. So always appreciate the views and helps you to experts, you have the generosity to give me, and it is very instructive for my, little debate that this identification has been raised. A cordial and grateful greeting for your interest and help. |
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