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 Muscidae Phaonia valida? male
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2011 15:47
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi, There are no photos of Phaonia valida males in the gallery, but there are 6 females! I have photos from last year of a female, is this the male? 28th June, on my wall near Lincoln UK. Janet blowave attached the following image:  [110.14Kb] http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2011 15:48
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
pic 2
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2011 15:49
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
crop of #2
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2011 15:50
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
pic 3
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| blowave |
Posted on 27-08-2011 02:36
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Bumping this up in case it has been missed.
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 29-08-2011 11:48
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Yes, it is the male.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-08-2011 13:32
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Yes, it is the male. Thanks Paul, I'll put a couple in the gallery. http://cubits.org... |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 29-08-2011 14:06
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Sorry, I tried to reply yesterday but the site crashed down. This is more likely Phaonia errans, for these reasons : vein M1+2 not slightly bent apically like it should be for valida, all occipital hairs black (should be partly reddish on lower part in valida), antennae wholly black (1st flagellomere partly reddish in valida). Phaonian valida is also larger than P. errans. Usually, the male of Phaonia errans fore femora are darkened, this could be misleading.
Stephane. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-08-2011 18:00
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Oh goodness gracious me, I have uploaded photos for the gallery as P. valida!  Thank you Stephane, I guess the front femora colour is not as important as the other details? http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-09-2011 13:49
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Stephane, if you're sure this is Phaonia errans then I will ask Paul to change the name as it's gone in the gallery. Otherwise I could maybe put a note under the photo, which would you advise to do?
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-09-2011 17:25
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I can't be 100 % sure in this case, sorry.
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| blowave |
Posted on 05-09-2011 01:47
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Well, it has two things going for P. valida. I think it was quite big, and the front femora are very orange! 
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