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 Lispe sp (Muscidae)
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:37
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
Lispe r interesting flies and time to time I watch after them and try to photo beavering and interesting life lifestyle episodes. Unfortunately I still not have luck to ID the most Lisp sp I find in my visit's sites One sp already ID with the help of the forum and I hope I'll be lucky again The follow photos show from my view point 2 different sp I do not have more photos of what I consider first sp In the field its hard to see all the details I can see at home on the screen I hope the following photos will show the different clear as I see them Taking those photos require me splash in the mud so before I'll do it again  I'll be happy to get some cue regarding the sps And I one of u have list of the Lispe of Israel or the area I'll be happy to receive it Edited by Amir on 11-10-2008 14:58 My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:44
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
Location: Israel Habitat: big pond with shallow muddy banks The photos show 2 specimens I consider different from the common Lispe I see in the site They smaller a bit, the eye look more greenish, the legs are more dark and they have not the rusty colors near the joints. the front look different. I'm nor familiar with all scientific body parts name but I'm sure is easy to understand my descriptions Amir attached the following image:  [77.81Kb] My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:45
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
2th photo
Amir attached the following image:  [89.38Kb] My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:50
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
The follow 2 photos show the common Lispe in the site I put more photos in a separate temp album all the photos there show better quality http://www.tapuz....8&ao=1 some of the photo show feeding, courting and copulation Amir attached the following image:  [60.23Kb] My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:51
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
2th photo of second set
Amir attached the following image:  [78.87Kb] My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 14:58
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
This photo show the habitat Shallow muddy with aquatic plants The mud rich in organic sediment and rich with Chironomidae larvae and other insects Amir attached the following image:  [122.84Kb] My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 11-10-2008 15:34
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Shalom Amir. I like Lispe too, but it is damn difficult genus: 1. Usualy among several Lispe on same small pool there are several different species at the same time. 2. Israel is especialy bad place for Lispe observations - here you can find altugether European + Afrotropical + Indian species 3. Lispe 3,4 has strong av on t2. In Europe it means L.longicollis and I was ready to send you this misID. Fortunelly, I checked your another images. On image http://albums.timg.co.il/userFolders/9/113868/113868200810111449.jpg with copulated pair, note long curved hairs on male's hind basitarsus - Lispe cilitarsis Loew - nice image for Diptera Gellery! (3,4 - same) Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Amir |
Posted on 11-10-2008 17:15
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 172 Joined: 01.09.08 |
Thanks for the info I understated the ID for 3-4 is Lispe cf cilitarsis for 1-2 no ID in this stage I'm looking for biology information about Lispe sp and special on the Mediterranean spcs for my blog. I have some from local book and web searching but I need more "meat" I have look at the The Biology of the Muscidae of the World By Peter Skidmore (Google book) but the most important page (regards the Mediterranean spcs is missing) Appropriate any information I can get from the forum members (email is a good option) Thanks Amir My insects album http://albums.tap...il/weinman Assorted flies from china http://www.tapuz....1&o=4&ao=1 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 11-10-2008 17:34
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. As you guessed 1,2 are another species, I'm not ready to give the name. 2. I haven,t Skidmore, but planningto order this book. 3. Generally, I'm sure that information about Lispe is very scanty, so any observation will be interesting. But I guess that you will meet a problem with ID the object of your observations. And the only real solution I know is to collect flies, to take keys... Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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