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 Tabanus exclusus?
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 25-05-2013 20:37
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 Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
This female was found dead at home, Iberian peninsula: Catalonia: Girona: Beuda, the 28/08/2012. The frontal índex is: 39/7=5.5; body lenght 13 mm; eyes with 3 bands. rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [93.75Kb] |
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| Sergiy Filatov |
Posted on 25-05-2013 21:00
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Member Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine Posts: 259 Joined: 22.10.10 |
I'd say the abdomen is too orange for exclusus. Maybe fraseri? Do you have closer pictures of the frons? |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 25-05-2013 23:37
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Thanks Sergiy We will try (T. freseri is know in Spain?) rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [167.84Kb] |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 25-05-2013 23:38
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
At another angle
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| Sergiy Filatov |
Posted on 26-05-2013 06:38
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Member Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine Posts: 259 Joined: 22.10.10 |
According to Chvala, 1972, Tabanus fraseri is an Eastern Mediterranean species which do not occur in Spain and known from Balkan peninsula and adjacent countries. In my opinion your specimen is fit well to the description of fraseri, so I'm feeling a little clueless. Therefore we have to wait for Theo's opinion 
Edited by Sergiy Filatov on 26-05-2013 06:41 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 26-05-2013 16:37
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
I've just wrote him, we will wait |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-05-2013 08:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19363 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I see Sergiy's point, but it is not fraseri. Tabanus fraseri is badly treated in CLM (not Sergiy's fault !): the most important feature - its very short palpus - has not been mentioned by CLM. I have several from Greece and Turkey. Normally, in case of 'pseudofraseri' you are dealing with reddish exclusus. However, in this case, the subcallus seems to be totally shining. so maybe another species in the glaucopis-group. Theo |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-05-2013 11:50
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Hello, I don't have the Spanish book by now. But I'm looking at Krcmar et al (Tabanidae of Croatia, "KHH" and I see:- The upper callus of my female seems to be different to exclusus - Could it be an anomalous small glaucopis? - Could you tell me which other species are in the glaucopis group? (my spanish "incertae sedis" are: albifrons, barbarus, brassofortei, castellanus, cognatus, flavofemoratus, iber, lavandonii, martinii). rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [168.04Kb] |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-05-2013 11:50
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-05-2013 12:06
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19363 Joined: 21.07.04 |
First of all iber Peus = castellanus brassofortei, castellanus, cognatus are in the glaucopis group flavofemoratus is near bromius lavadoni = eggeri martinii is in the cordigergroup, but aberant. albifrons and barbarus are both a class on their own. |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-05-2013 12:17
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
May be I was wrong and there were not three bands? Otherwise I could sent to Theo or Sergiy whwn I have more material rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [131.08Kb] Edited by rafael_carbonell on 27-05-2013 13:46 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-05-2013 14:59
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19363 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The specimen is in not good condition, since it was found dead. I'd really need the specimen to be able to say more. I will be happy to look at it, after July 15th ! So don't send it now, please. Theo |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-05-2013 15:16
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Ok |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 16-03-2016 23:33
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 692 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Hello again I have revised my Tabanidae collection and I have concluded that is Tabanus glaucopis, a species that has a large amount of variation. In fact, I have written a note of my conclusions to recognize that species here https://www.flickr.com/photos/47899925@N06/25216727973/in/dateposted-public/ I hope it can be useful (please comment if you do not agree or can correct my english) All the best, Rafael rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [85.25Kb] |
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