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 Ephydridae from Schoonrewoerd
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 19-05-2013 15:59
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Dear friends, in Malaise trap material from Schoonrewoerd, 19.x.2012, I found this Ephydridae. It looks like a Ochthera mantis-like fly. I think it is another species. Is among us somebody with a lot of experience with this famil? rvanderweele attached the following image:  [136.55Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| mossnisse |
Posted on 19-05-2013 16:06
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 Member Location: Sweden, Umeå Posts: 442 Joined: 19.01.12 |
I think it's only Ochtera with this bigg hind tibia in Palaerctis. Looka at Clausen, P. J. (1977). A revision of the Nearctic, Neotropical, and Palearctic Species of the Genus Ochthera, including One Ethiopian Species, and One New Species from India: A Bicentennial Revision (Two Hundred Years of Ochthera). Transactions of the American Entomological Society. 103(3):451-530. I don't have access to that paper so if you get it i am also interested |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 19-05-2013 16:19
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I have seen some photos of O. mantis, but it looks different, quite different, I think. I will see whether it is possible to....arrange the article. If I manage to get one I will send you a copy. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 19-05-2013 23:30
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7353 Joined: 19.11.04 |
This looks like manicata (on basis of grey dust marks on abdomen - more extensive than in mantis). I haven't seen palaearctica, so can't comment on that! Not schembrii, which is quite different.
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 20-05-2013 06:15
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 Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2387 Joined: 13.02.09 |
I got that revision of Ochthera in pdf, so I can send it both of you. I was already expecting that O. manicata is present in the Netherlands and was already looking for the species near the border with Belgium, where it was found on the Kalmthoutse Heide, but I didn't find it.
Best wishes, Niels-Jan Dek |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 20-05-2013 09:46
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Tony, may I send the specimen to you for confirmation of the species? I would like to give it to Naturalis, of course, when it is indeed a new species for the Netherlands.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 20-05-2013 18:47
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Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7353 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Yes, of course, Ruud. I'll send you my address. Tony Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| jhstuke |
Posted on 21-05-2013 10:37
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Member Location: Leer, Germany Posts: 147 Joined: 06.06.07 |
Dear Ruud! You should better send O. mantis to Tony because that will be the scarer species that has been confused with manicata before. In all regions in Germany O. mantis turned out to be rare if present at all wheras O. manicata is quite common. I have seen O. mantis from the Netherlands collected by M. von Tschirnhaus at the AK-Diptera meeting in the Netherlands. Jens-Hermann |
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