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 Empis gooti ♂ ♀ (OK)
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| Marcello |
Posted on 12-04-2013 22:26
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
This is my third Empis sp., but it has never been possible to identify, so now I hope that's the good one  BTW this time I have the specimen, if someone want to ID it, I'll send it. Long about 5-6 mm 12.04.2013 - Padua - Northeast Italy  IMG_1523 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr  IMG_1513 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr  IMG_1510 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr Thanks for the help! Ciao, Marcello Edited by Marcello on 07-05-2013 08:40 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 12-04-2013 22:34
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Edited by Marcello on 12-04-2013 22:34 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 14-04-2013 18:26
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Now I have 6 specimen if someone want to identificate it  Paul ... http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| tyrolean |
Posted on 14-04-2013 19:27
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Member Location: Posts: 43 Joined: 24.05.10 |
... reminds me of E. pennipes, but this is not a definite identification knowing how tricky Empididae can be |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-04-2013 21:59
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
certainly not pennipes! Marcello, if you want you can send a specimen to me. I can try to identify it, but it is not easy for danceflies from Southern Europe. But if Paul Beuk is rather looking forward to look at specimens, you may consider to send it to him.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 14-04-2013 23:15
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
The first time I found this Empis sp. I was almost sure that it was the E. pennipes because we don't have many specie here and the pennipes was the one that look similar (a part the rostrum) but many experts sayd not itsn't! Now, I waited for the spring and I found a lot, but really a lot ... at least 200-300 in 150-200 m2! I Never seen all this Empis here. Thanks for trying! Ciao, Marcello tyrolean wrote:
... reminds me of E. pennipes, but this is not a definite identification knowing how tricky Empididae can be Edited by Marcello on 15-04-2013 00:01 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 14-04-2013 23:30
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Hi Ruud, I know this is not E. pennipes, I tryed for two times to identificate it but nothing ... The strange thing is that this year we have a lot of them, I never seen all this Empis togheter and 90% females!. Infact I have 6 specimens all females and "maybe" 1 male. I saw at least 30-35 subjects in a few of meters and there was 1 male only. I don't know too much things about the Empididae but for me it sound strange, Maybe because the weather? Is it normal? I don't know. Here we have many species not identificate/unknown, so it's very hard to identify, but I will send one to you of course. I'll send you an email. Thanks! Ciao, Marcello rvanderweele wrote:
certainly not pennipes! Marcello, if you want you can send a specimen to me. I can try to identify it, but it is not easy for danceflies from Southern Europe. But if Paul Beuk is rather looking forward to look at specimens, you may consider to send it to him. http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| tyrolean |
Posted on 15-04-2013 07:09
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Member Location: Posts: 43 Joined: 24.05.10 |
If you are able to read German I can send you the treatment of Empididae by Engel (From "Die Fliegen der paläarktischen Region) I know, that this is not up to date, but especially in southern Europe it is still a place to start with. |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 15-04-2013 07:22
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
PM sent. Thanks for your help! tyrolean wrote:
If you are able to read German I can send you the treatment of Empididae by Engel (From "Die Fliegen der paläarktischen Region) I know, that this is not up to date, but especially in southern Europe it is still a place to start with. http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 15-04-2013 08:36
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I would not mind having a look at some specimens but you increase the likelyhood of an identification if you have males (the ones without pennate legs). You will find the address HERE.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 15-04-2013 15:22
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Well, right now I don't know if I have a male too, I have to look better because i saw a subject without the pennate legs, but the abdomen was too much similar to the female, but it's not a problem, I 'll back there in 5 minutes and I'll take a male (I hope) In the mean time thank you for your help and I'll say you when the package is ready. Hello, Marcello http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 16-04-2013 14:53
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Here is the male too, and later I'll post the copula (strange position and behavior) IMG_2180 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 16-04-2013 22:31
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Here is the first couple in copula. IMG_2185 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr There we can see the "nuptial gift" (Thanks Paul and Ruud) for the female
Edited by Marcello on 16-04-2013 23:25 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 16-04-2013 22:54
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Another couple in copula with the nuptial gift . IMG_2224 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr  IMG_2231 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr Edited by Marcello on 16-04-2013 23:25 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 17-04-2013 12:57
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
The last couple in copula, always with the nuptial gift present  IMG_2285 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 17-04-2013 13:07
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Nice pictures! Now all I need to do is get the correct name.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 18-04-2013 12:01
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Thanks Paul Package sent. I'm curious
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 23-04-2013 13:32
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Parcel arrived today. I do not think it is going to be an easy one...
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 23-04-2013 18:43
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Well, I knew it, but I hope you will find the specie , or maybe it's a new one Thank you! http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-04-2013 13:52
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Very nice. New species for me. Empis gooti. I studied the genitalia. Very nice fit. I think it is new to Italy.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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