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 Giant Robber fly from Brazil
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| bonitin |
Posted on 05-08-2010 22:24
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 Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Hello, I said giant because it had at least a size of 3cm or even bigger. I really thought it was a huge bumble bee but then saw its prey! I met it in the evening in a dense rain forest area in the region of Paraty-Brazil on the 2nd Febr. this year. Any help very much appreciated!   Strange was that it had some little flies on its legs and even on the unfortunate prey, they obviously didn't fear the giant killer..  |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 05-08-2010 22:54
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 Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
And you didn't collect it? Criminal!!! |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 05-08-2010 23:05
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Sorry Mark!  But I don't collect any bugs only take pictures. I cannot kill! |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 05-08-2010 23:15
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Looks very similar to the ones I have here
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 05-08-2010 23:21
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 Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
I agree with Chris: looks to be Mallophora tibialis. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 05-08-2010 23:26
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
LOL Mark-uk. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 05-08-2010 23:35
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Eric Fisher wrote: I agree with Chris: looks to be Mallophora tibialis. It was my lucky guess - I only know one - and you told me that 
Edited by ChrisR on 05-08-2010 23:37 Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 06-08-2010 00:04
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Thanks Chris and also Eric for the confirmation! That must be the one! But don't you think flies look more attractive in nature than pinned down? |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 06-08-2010 00:07
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
I have to say pinned  |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 06-08-2010 00:53
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
bonitin wrote: Thanks Chris and also Eric for the confirmation! That must be the one! But don't you think flies look more attractive in nature than pinned down? They look nicer in photos but it depends where you want to go after that. If you are happy with a great photo of an interesting fly then it is cool. But as soon as you want to know the name then you either need to take a specimen OR you rely on the expertise of people who have taken specimens and put in a lot of study with them
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 06-08-2010 01:43
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Yes, sure Chris that makes sense! I realise, though many species often don't need a specimen to id. as they have no look-a-likes.. |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 06-08-2010 06:56
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Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
ChrisR wrote: It was my lucky guess - I only know one - and you told me that Not luck -- you are just an excellent student! bonitin wrote: many species often don't need a specimen to id. as they have no look-a-likes.. Not true in this case: several of robber flies (in two genera of distinct subfamilies) mimic the Eulaema bees which are the models here -- and many Eulaemas mimic each other, so it all gets pretty complicated. Specimens are often essential. Edited by Eric Fisher on 06-08-2010 06:59 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 06-08-2010 08:58
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
There are several asilids that mimics well the bees and bumblebees. But one the best mimics of the bumblbees belongs to an Oestrid: Portschinskia loewi . http://www.dipter...ad_id=8124 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 06-08-2010 10:01
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Also, my point was that experts make it look easy - show a nice photo and you get a name for it. But to get to the stage where you know the name there have been hundreds of people have had to collect specimens, work tirelessly for decades working out the taxonomy and then (and only then) if they have *real* familiarity with a group they might be able to see something in the photo that points to what the species is ... but often it is just an educated guess based on experience - with a specimen then they would really know. This is especially true in the neotropics where mimicry complexes are very common and bio-diverse. We can say that it looks like Mallophora tibialis but perhaps if we could see the genitalia or the bristles more closely then we'd see that it was an undescribed species or even a new genus. So, absolutely, photos are a great way to document (not record) the biodiversity of the world ... but only rarely can you actually say for sure that the photograph shows a specific species - even in Europe. The best way is to take plenty of photos from all angles and then also take specimens to bring back and give to the experts. Then you really will know what is in the photo
Edited by ChrisR on 06-08-2010 10:02 Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| conopid |
Posted on 06-08-2010 10:30
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 Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
And just look at all those marvellous little Milichiidae swarming all over the Asilid - would love to know what they are too!
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 06-08-2010 12:39
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
OK! Thanks Chris, Eric and Jorge! I understood! You made your point clear! I've added the robberfly to the gallery. Ah thank you Nigel for giving attention to the cute little flies, at least I know their family now, they look a bit like fruitflies to me.. Myriam |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 06-08-2010 16:47
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Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
Nigel, I wondered if those little guys were milichiids (the most common 'visitors' to asilid prey) but they look a bit different (??). So much to learn... Eric |
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| ibrake |
Posted on 03-09-2010 11:27
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Member Location: Posts: 64 Joined: 03.03.08 |
It is hard to tell, but the little flies could be Milichiella lacteipennis, a common milichiid species known and quite often observed as kleptoparasite. See http://milichiida...cteipennis. Irina |
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