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 Muscidae: Phaonia (21.10.09) --> P. rufiventris
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 27-10-2009 20:57
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! Another 8 mm Phaonia from a tree last week (northwest Germany). I guess, this time it is P. rufiventris (?). Juergen Peters attached the following image:  [46.21Kb] Edited by Juergen Peters on 28-10-2009 02:25 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 27-10-2009 20:57
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Pic #2
Juergen Peters attached the following image:  [47.9Kb] Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 27-10-2009 22:02
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Seems so.. Joke 
Edited by javanerkelens on 27-10-2009 22:06 |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 28-10-2009 02:24
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Joke! javanerkelens wrote: Seems so.. Fine, at least one hit , thanks!
Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 28-10-2009 12:28
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I'm temporary out of work, so a little more time to spend  It is always difficult with Phaonia subventa / rufiventris / bitincta, so i have tried for you to make it visible. Phaonia subventa: short plumose arista, midtibia with 2 posterior setae, meron with some pale hairs below spiracle. Phaonia rufiventris: Longer plumose arista, midtibia with 3-4 posterior setae, katepimeron with some pale hairs, parts of pleura yellow. Phaonia bitincta: Longer plumose arista, midtibia with 3 posterior setae, meron with some pale hairs below spiracle. Make your one conclusion.. Joke van Erkelens javanerkelens attached the following image:  [100.1Kb] |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 28-10-2009 12:30
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
another photo
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 28-10-2009 13:19
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Joke, may I jump in to thank you on behalf of all us beginners. This guide will be a great resource. Any chance of repeating these images in an Overview thread that will be easier to find in future? You might even be tempted to add some more of these difficult species Stephen. Edited by Stephen R on 28-10-2009 15:02 |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 28-10-2009 13:55
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 Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5259 Joined: 17.07.08 |
javanerkelens wrote: I'm temporary out of work, so a little more time to spend Joke van Erkelens Yes sorry about that Joke... , I'm a heartless B******, I knowGreat help for us poor souls trying in vain to come to terms with the terminology (mainly me), wish there were more explanations laid out like this like this on the site. Well done Joke Less heartless than ever....Roger |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 28-10-2009 19:09
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I will place the photos under rearing queries ! And maybe some more in the future.. And Roger....i like you still (but only a little bit )First i have to find a new job  Joke |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 29-10-2009 19:04
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hi, Joke! I also appreciate your drawings very much (also thanks for your Anthomyiidae explanations in the other thread)! But I'm afraid, most of the characters I won't be able to see on a live individual (as I don't catch and rear them). Most conspicuous for me on M. rufiventris is the partly yellow pleura and the mostly pure yellow/orange scutellum. In the most cases, I'm afraid I still must rely on expirience and general "jizz" (I find, P. subventa has a clearly different "orange" from P. rufiventris and a clearly different general habit as B. bitincta). Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Steve Pelikan |
Posted on 30-10-2009 04:44
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Member Location: Ohio, U.S.A. Posts: 56 Joined: 24.06.06 |
Hi, Joke! Me too! This sort of information is very helpful to us beginners and greatly appreciated. |
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