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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:17
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
HI again! I have 3 different lots of flies which all look to be Pipunculidae to me. I will date them as I post them. All taken in my garden, a few miles south of Lincoln UK. All are less than 4mm. Appreciated if anyone can confirm the family or not, and I am clutching at straws but even further would be great!  Janet Pic 1, taken on 17th May, one pic only. blowave attached the following image:  [90.74Kb] |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:18
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Fly 2, 3 pics, taken on 31st July.
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:18
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Fly 2 pic 2
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:19
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Fly 2 pic 3
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:20
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Flies 3, mating pair, 3 pics.
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:21
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Flies 3 pic 2
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:21
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Flie 3 pic 3
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| phil withers |
Posted on 20-10-2009 17:58
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Member Location: Lyon, France Posts: 521 Joined: 04.03.08 |
Yes, all are Pipunculidae |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 18:07
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thank you Phil, it took me some time to get those together! Can any be got to genus level? These don't seem to be very common.  |
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| coopder |
Posted on 20-10-2009 19:43
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Member Location: London Posts: 37 Joined: 17.09.09 |
Wow. Those are really great photos. |
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| Christian Kehlmaier |
Posted on 20-10-2009 20:39
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 Member Location: Dresden - Germany Posts: 112 Joined: 19.07.04 |
Hi Fly no. 2 should belong to Dorylomorpha and the flying acrobats are most probably Cephalops. Can you provide any information in regard to the mating behaviour (time of the day, how high above the ground, how long did it take, were they hovering on one spot all the time etc.)? Great pictures! Christian |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 20:59
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
coopder wrote: Wow. Those are really great photos. Thanks, I practice daily! I use a basic Nikon D40X with a VR 105mm macro lens and Nikon 2x teleconverter, in manual of course and hand held.Thank you also Christian, much appreciated. They were low down amongst Ivy leaves, I noticed their pink-purple wing colour as they hovered so lined them up in my viewfinder. It was after 7pm, the first pic I have is 19:05:08, last was 19:05:49. I may have deleted a couple of pics (I kept the best 4) and as I was stood nearby I don't think they would have started much earlier than when I saw them, and the last pic was probably the best one. I think they separated after the last one, or moved on. The sun was shining low in the sky, and the Ivy is over a roadside drain. The second fly I found on the slab next to my new pond so they must like to be near water. Edited by blowave on 20-10-2009 21:01 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 21:16
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I have found some very interesting look-alikes with the lead you gave me Christian! Tolweb should be a good source, look at Eudorylas aequus, it looks a lot like the one on the slab, the second fly. http://tolweb.org...quus/55582 The fly at the top looks like my first pic, a Eudorylas sp. http://tolweb.org...ylas/54653 Wow, some identification keys! I odn't know if anyone can decipher anything from the pics though. http://www.kehlma...idae1.html Clicking on the 'in English' link at the top gives a lot more! http://tolweb.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 21:23
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I went a long route and found the key page again, it's your's Christian! 
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-10-2009 21:38
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I have a fifth picture taken at 19:04:51, I gave them a temporary name of Eudorylas subfascipes I think because I found a mating pic somewhere which looked similar.
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| Christian Kehlmaier |
Posted on 21-10-2009 21:18
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Member Location: Dresden - Germany Posts: 112 Joined: 19.07.04 |
Thanks for the info. Pipunculidae is a rather difficult family (some people say ). For species ID it's absolutely necessary to check inner male genitalia or get a proper view of the female ovipositor. Superficially, most species (there are some 200 in Europe) look very much alike. But I am pretty sure that the mating couple belongs to Cephalops. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 21-10-2009 22:02
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thank you for taking the time Christian. As you know so much about these I will call the mating pair Cephalops sp. Is it a high possiblity the other two are Eudorylas sp.? I don't know how many species there are in the UK but I think less than in Europe. |
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| Christian Kehlmaier |
Posted on 23-10-2009 21:18
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Member Location: Dresden - Germany Posts: 112 Joined: 19.07.04 |
Fly 2. Dorylomorpha sp. Fly 1. Pipunculinae; could well be a member of Eudorylini |
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-10-2009 13:36
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Christian Kehlmaier wrote: Fly 2. Dorylomorpha sp. Fly 1. Pipunculinae; could well be a member of Eudorylini Thanks once again Christian! |
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