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Nikita Vikhrev	#1 Posted on 21-06-2006 16:28
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	30 min of lunch break in Moscow park, 21 june, 12-14mm. May be Spilomyia? Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image: [80.07Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


kvaak	#2 Posted on 21-06-2006 21:03
Member Location: Posts: 2 Joined: 21.06.06	Temnostoma angustistriatum ?


Nikita Vikhrev	#3 Posted on 21-06-2006 21:33
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	Thank you Kvaak. I checked fly (collected). According my key it has to be Temnostoma, but Temnostoma bombylans. Key is old, but species is still valid. And very siutable name indeed, with this Bombyliidae wings! Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


pierred	#4 Posted on 22-06-2006 07:45
Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05	Hello, Following van Veen's key, I also arrive to T. bombylans. On the other hand, it says that Spilomyia is superficially like Temnostoma, but with striped eyes. Pierre Duhem


Nikita Vikhrev	#5 Posted on 22-06-2006 08:44
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	I also found that Spilomyia has long 3-d antenae segment.and curved top of A vein. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Kahis	#6 Posted on 22-06-2006 08:58
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	Van Veen's key is not up-to-date for this genus. There is another species closely related to T. bombylans in Europe: T. angustistriatum. Here in Finland we have only the latter. Both species are quite rare in Scandinavia and at least T. angustistriatum seems to be bound to old aspen (Populus tremula) stands. Unfortunately I do not have any idea how to separate these species, I have to ask our local syrphidae gurus for help. It's not a fulltime job for them: T. angustistriatum is very rare in Finland with only 3-4 known recents records. Here the only Temnostoma angustistriatum is my collection. Edited by Kahis on 22-06-2006 09:01 Kahis


Kahis	#7 Posted on 22-06-2006 09:04
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	In any case photos of this impressive syrphid may well be even commercially valuable as both species (bombylans and angustistriatum) are redlisted in some countries. Kahis


Paul Beuk	#8 Posted on 22-06-2006 09:04
Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04	If someone comes up with the difference and if it is visible in the pictures, let's add both to the Gallery. I can see that in these two individuals the abdominal markings in T. angustistriatum seem to be running more straight but maybe that just is individual variation. Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info


Jan Willem	#9 Posted on 22-06-2006 09:06
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2136 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi, On the following site you can find how to separate the two species: http://home.hccne...n_key.html Jan Willem


Nikita Vikhrev	#10 Posted on 22-06-2006 14:49
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	So much attention to my modest fly! I have to tell without all this information I brutaly collected this redlisted fly. Sunday I'll try to find which species it is? Thank you all, Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Kahis	#11 Posted on 22-06-2006 20:58
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	Nikita Vikhrev wrote: I have to tell without all this information I brutaly collected this redlisted fly. I think we don't need to worry about overcollecting flies yet. Especially in Russia Perhaps at some old-growth forest sites in Western Europe, but not in Russia. Your country may have many collecting fly taxonomists, but I doubt you have the highest number of collectors per sqare kilometer. How many million km? of Russia are there per dipterist to cover? But back to business: I understood that separating the Temnostoma species discussed here may not always be quite as easy as the key claims. There is also a systematic difference between males and females in the colourations, so be careful and compare only males with males and females with females. Kahis


Ben Hamers	#12 Posted on 22-06-2006 21:46
Member Location: Heerlen ( Holland ) Posts: 737 Joined: 16.12.04	Here is a T. bombylans from Holland, 27-05-06. Nikita's fly has black femur 3, this one has red femur 3. Ben Ben Hamers attached the following image: [64.43Kb] Edited by Ben Hamers on 21-05-2012 21:45


Nikita Vikhrev	#13 Posted on 23-06-2006 12:43
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	"I brutaly collected this redlisted fly" " you don't need to worry about overcollecting flies yet" If to tell without joke, I don't think there is reason to redlisted insectas at all. No reason in situation that 1000 person can distinguish it from wasp, and 10 person can ID species. If they want to help fly, they should help park or other lanscape, it is the only sensible way, I think. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Nikita Vikhrev	#14 Posted on 24-06-2006 23:29
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	Thank you Ben. But in Krivosheina key the difference is in hind tibia. My test it is doubtfull species. It is right t3 (left - all yellow). I think it is T. bonbylans. What do you think? Or show the fly to Krivosheina herself? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Nikita Vikhrev	#15 Posted on 24-06-2006 23:30
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	Sorry, image. Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image: [31.95Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Ben Hamers	#16 Posted on 25-06-2006 11:30
Member Location: Heerlen ( Holland ) Posts: 737 Joined: 16.12.04	I think you are right Nikita, The colour of the femora seems to be of no importance. Ben Thank you Ben. But in Krivosheina key the difference is in hind tibia. My test it is doubtfull species. It is right t3 (left - all yellow). I think it is T. bonbylans. What do you think? Or show the fly to Krivosheina herself? Nikita


Nikita Vikhrev	#17 Posted on 03-07-2006 15:53
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05	Today I've got back my collected fly (and 100% same fly as at photos). Lebel: Temnostoma bombylans, F, det. Nina Krivosheina 2006 Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University

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