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 Episyrphus balteatus, melanistic and intersex?
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| bonitin |
Posted on 29-11-2011 14:17
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 Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Hi, I have never seen a melanistic E.balteatus being so dark with hardly any marks left on its abdomen.. 22nd November, my garden Gent, Belgium Thank you! Myriam bonitin attached the following image:  [55.25Kb] |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 29-11-2011 14:19
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Posted on 29-11-2011 14:20
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Posted on 29-11-2011 14:24
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Posted on 29-11-2011 14:25
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Posted on 29-11-2011 14:27
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 29-11-2011 22:10
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 845 Joined: 22.11.11 |
To me this looks like a dark female specimen of E. balteatus. It has no male genitalia and the eyes are separated... E. balteatus can be as dark as this due to lower temperatures during pupation. If the temperatures are warmer one can find specimens which are almost entirely yellow. Btw. very neat pictures. Greets, Ectemnius |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-11-2011 22:44
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I am interested to know why this female has strange 'bumps' on the last segments of the abdomen Ectemnius. Separated eyes seem to be no guarantee of being a female if you check the 'intersex' examples in the gallery. http://www.dipter...to_id=2601 http://www.dipter...to_id=1678 I have a photo of one similar to the dark one in the last link which I thought could be an intersex.. I don't seem to be able to get the photo down to the acceptable size but here's the tail end.. blowave attached the following image:  [144.23Kb] Edited by blowave on 29-11-2011 22:45 http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-11-2011 22:47
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
This is the tail end of what I would call a 'normal' female..
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 29-11-2011 23:24
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 845 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hi bonitin, I didn't know why you thought it was an intersex specimen. The abdomen is somewhat strange, I agree. But it don't look like an intersex specimen to me. That having said, I'm no expert concerning intersex specimens, and the specimens in the gallery look awfully the same. There seems to be confusion on the matter if you search for more info, even on diptera.info itself, as the two post below reveal. Paul Beuk mentions that darker appearance and intersex in one specimen can be related: http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=13048&pid=61129. In yet another post Gerrard Pennards disagrees with a presumed intersex specimen: http://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=32361&pid=143572 Both have similar features to your specimen. Just trying to help, Greets, Ectemnius |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-11-2011 23:38
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Working links to the threads Ectemnius.. highlight and click on the icon below. http://www.dipter...;pid=61129 http://diptera.in...pid=143572 The intersex was only mentioned in the title, easily missed.  Apart from dark specimens it seems the distance between the eyes is also important, which is the point Gerrard was making. This is the 'normal' female I posted.. blowave attached the following image:  [146.48Kb] http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 29-11-2011 23:40
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
The one which looks like an intersex..
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| bonitin |
Posted on 30-11-2011 00:32
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Thank you Ectemnius and Janet! I do think that the abdomen on mine looks a bit strange, Ectemnius, with these 'bumps' for a female.. Another interesting question, can intersex species reproduce? Some crops of the head and the abdomen that might help.. bonitin attached the following image:  [71.42Kb] |
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| bonitin |
Posted on 30-11-2011 00:33
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| bonitin |
Posted on 30-11-2011 00:35
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Member Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 348 Joined: 11.10.07 |
I think the distance between the eyes is a bit less than on Janet's picture of a normal female..? |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 13-01-2015 18:11
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 845 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hello bonitin, I am now convinced, this is an intersex specimen of E. balteatus and presumably they are unable to reproduce. Greetings, Ectemnius |
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