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 Polietes lardaria ?
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 23-11-2007 23:09
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 Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
hello flyforum, First I though this was Polietes lardaria, but I am not convinced. What about the colour of the anterior spiracle? Is it posible that this is some other Polietes species? Robert, Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [180.04Kb] |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 23-11-2007 23:09
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
2 pic
Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [168.35Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 23-11-2007 23:10 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 23-11-2007 23:20
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9354 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I'd say you are right, Robert - correct name Polietes lardarius
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 23-11-2007 23:30
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
hair on the eyes, anterior spiracle is greyish (not colourful).. What makes this Polietes lardarius specificly?  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 23-11-2007 23:41
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9354 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Compare with: http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=1274 Also P.meridionalis is Submediterrenian species less probable in the Netherlands Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 24-11-2007 15:29
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
I do not agree with that, Nikita. I'd say P. meridionalis is pretty common in the Netherlands, at least where I live (in the center of the country). Since you identified my first meridionalis (photos are now in the gallery), I have found and photographed many more at the same location and at other locations. Mostly in half open areas with older trees, water and grassland nearby. I have the impression that meridionalis is more common here than lardarius. http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 25-11-2007 20:36
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Maybe P. meridionalis can be pretty common here and there?!... I think flyspecies can differ a lot in occurence, so are the biotopes. |
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| John Bratton |
Posted on 30-11-2007 17:10
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Member Location: Menai Bridge, North Wales, UK Posts: 650 Joined: 17.10.06 |
Is P. meridionalis on the British list yet? I caught a Polietes last week (North Wales) that keyed to lardarius (hairs on the little plate between the front legs, prosternum?) in Fonseca's RES key, but had a brown face and bright yellow front spiracle, which according to Gregor et al. makes it meridionalis. So I looked out a "lardarius" from this area two years ago, and it also has a brown face and yellow spiracle. Both are females so the leg spine character is no use. And both were taken late in the year (Nov and Dec) so I was wondering if lardarius tend to be browner at this time of year. But if meridionalis is common in The Netherlands, Wales does not sound so unlikely. John Bratton |
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