Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Small diptera ID - Ephydridae

Posted by ole on 15-12-2020 17:11
#1

aprox. 2mm on rose in garden near Copenhagen.
Any chance of ID?
August 8th.

Thanks in advance, Ole

Edited by ole on 01-01-2021 19:04

Posted by ole on 15-12-2020 17:13
#2

takeoff.....

No lateral pix, sry!

Edited by ole on 15-12-2020 17:15

Posted by Juergen Peters on 15-12-2020 17:37
#3

Hello,

I think, Ephydridae (near Philygria?). But I am no expert.

Posted by ole on 15-12-2020 19:10
#4

hi, Jürgen.
Maybe...
But none look alike in the galleri.
best regards,
ole

Posted by Paul Beuk on 15-12-2020 20:14
#5

Trixoscelis

Edited by Paul Beuk on 15-12-2020 20:15

Posted by ole on 15-12-2020 20:29
#6

Thank You very much, Paul!
Greetings, Ole

Posted by Ectemnius on 15-12-2020 22:43
#7

Hi ole, Jürgen & Paul,
I think I see three dorscocentrals, that with the white wing spot but lacking a dark outer wing border should exclude Trixoscelis marginella. There are no other Trixoscelis species in North-West Europe to my knowledge that have these features.
Maybe it is indeed a Ephydridae, like Jürgen suggested, what do you think, Paul?
Kind regards,
Ectemnius

Posted by Andrzej on 16-12-2020 02:03
#8

As for me it is not a Trixoscelis species. The specimen has less than 5 pairs of dorsocentral bristles (probably 1+2 pairs) and the antenna seems to be lengthened (not typically rounded as in European Trixoscelis species). I see a white spot near the apical part of the wing membrane :|. Maybe a better picture will solve the ID problem at the family level...

Posted by Paul Beuk on 16-12-2020 08:31
#9

If Andrzej says no to Trixoscelis then we are back to Ephydridae

Posted by John Carr on 16-12-2020 16:26
#10

I also think Ephydridae subfamily Ilytheinae.

Posted by Tony Irwin on 17-12-2020 11:02
#11

Looks like a Philygria from these photos, but not one I recognize. A specimen would be useful! ;)

Posted by ole on 20-12-2020 20:26
#12

yes - A specimen would indeed be useful!

Thank you very much!
greetings Ole