Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Rhagionidae from greenhouse NL
Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:20
#1
This fly I caught in a greenhouse in the Netherlands, at Avifauna in Alphen aan de Rijn last Tuesday, and I guess it is an imported species of Chrysopilus? Any ideas, as I don't know the origin of the fly.
Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#2
Lateral view
Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#3
Third picture
Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#4
Antenna
Posted by Zeegers on 11-10-2019 14:48
#5
Very interesting indeed !!
Antenna suggests male Ch. nubecula, however, I have never seen such a wing pattern in Chrysopilus.
Love to see the genitalia.
What kind of crops in the greenhouse ?
Theo
Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 21:15
#6
It was in the part of Avifauna (a bird park), that is called the Lori Landing. There are lots of Swainson’s Lorikeets there, they are from Australia. More important, I do not know where the plants in the greenhouse are from. It looks like a tropical garden to me. However, I found a similar picture of the male of Chrysopilus laetus on the internet, could this be an option? In this seems a good fit as in this species the wing tip is also darkened. This species is recorded for the UK I see.
Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 08:38
#7
Hi Niels-Jan,
I will send you an email.
It would be useful if you could make a frontal pic of the head, showing the clypeus (the balloony thing in the middle of the face).
And we need to study the genitalia.
Theo
Posted by nielsyese on 12-10-2019 10:14
#8
Here a picture of the clypeus.
Posted by nielsyese on 12-10-2019 10:14
#9
And one of the genitalia
Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 11:11
#10
Clypeus excludes nubecula, that is pretty clear !
Theo
Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 12:08
#11
Wing clearly is pullus, but genitalia clearly is not.
Theo
Posted by John Carr on 12-10-2019 14:32
#12
Wing pattern does not match any North American species in the key by Hardy (1949).
Posted by Ectemnius on 12-10-2019 23:51
#13
There are several species of Neotropical Chrysopilus which seem very similar:
https://www.resea...ew_Species
Posted by Zeegers on 13-10-2019 07:10
#14
Interesting, thanks !
Theo