Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Rhagionidae from greenhouse NL

Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:20
#1

This fly I caught in a greenhouse in the Netherlands, at Avifauna in Alphen aan de Rijn last Tuesday, and I guess it is an imported species of Chrysopilus? Any ideas, as I don't know the origin of the fly.

Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#2

Lateral view

Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#3

Third picture

Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 13:21
#4

Antenna

Posted by Zeegers on 11-10-2019 14:48
#5

Very interesting indeed !!
Antenna suggests male Ch. nubecula, however, I have never seen such a wing pattern in Chrysopilus.
Love to see the genitalia.

What kind of crops in the greenhouse ?

Theo

Posted by nielsyese on 11-10-2019 21:15
#6

It was in the part of Avifauna (a bird park), that is called the Lori Landing. There are lots of Swainson’s Lorikeets there, they are from Australia. More important, I do not know where the plants in the greenhouse are from. It looks like a tropical garden to me. However, I found a similar picture of the male of Chrysopilus laetus on the internet, could this be an option? In this seems a good fit as in this species the wing tip is also darkened. This species is recorded for the UK I see.

Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 08:38
#7

Hi Niels-Jan,

I will send you an email.

It would be useful if you could make a frontal pic of the head, showing the clypeus (the balloony thing in the middle of the face).

And we need to study the genitalia.

Theo

Posted by nielsyese on 12-10-2019 10:14
#8

Here a picture of the clypeus.

Posted by nielsyese on 12-10-2019 10:14
#9

And one of the genitalia

Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 11:11
#10

Clypeus excludes nubecula, that is pretty clear !


Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 12-10-2019 12:08
#11

Wing clearly is pullus, but genitalia clearly is not.

Theo

Posted by John Carr on 12-10-2019 14:32
#12

Wing pattern does not match any North American species in the key by Hardy (1949).

Posted by Ectemnius on 12-10-2019 23:51
#13

There are several species of Neotropical Chrysopilus which seem very similar: https://www.resea...ew_Species

Posted by Zeegers on 13-10-2019 07:10
#14

Interesting, thanks !

Theo