Posted by Mihailo Vujic on 27-06-2018 22:15
#1
Hi,
Today I caught few Sarcophaga specimens in Petnica, Serbia. I think that's subgenus Sarcophaga, maybe S. subvicina group?
Thanks in advance,
Mihailo
Posted by johnes81 on 27-06-2018 23:58
#4
Hello Mihailo, the vesica and the ventral plates aren't matching
Sarcophaga subvicina. I cannot see fine details but i find that the aedeagus is more inline with S. carnaria. Tomorrow i will post a photo of the aedeagus of S. carnaria cleared and in perfect lateral for comparison.
Posted by Mihailo Vujic on 28-06-2018 00:33
#5
Thank you so much! I have S. carnaria specimens in collection now, but anatomy of aedeagus isn't same (but really very similar).
Best regards, Mihailo!
Posted by johnes81 on 28-06-2018 11:40
#6
Hello Mihailo, I've looked through alll of my material and i cannot find a match. I see similarities but nothing positive. The aedeagus has not been cleared in koh for better viewing, so it is difficult to decide if it is one of the common Sarcophaga. I always judge the aedeagus by certain features, such as, an imaginary plane illustrating the difference in height of the vesica and the ventral plate. see my attachment. This imaginary plane eliminates S. carnaria as well. Although, variegata is still a contender. Bear in mind that the vesica of variegata can sometimes be turned upward. see my attachment which is
S. variegata. I cleared the aedeagus with koh, then viewed it in glycerol to see the features more clearly. For S. variegata, you will also see a thin flap covering the distiphallus as depicted in the drawings of Dr. Pape. This flap is also poorly visible in my attachment.
also, i found a ligitimate photo of the aedeagus of S. subvicina. You will see that the vesica is large and quite distinct. Thus, your specimen is not S. subvicina.
http://www.spessa..._8120.html
i don't see a match with any of the following entries in Spixiana: bachmayeri, moravica, novaki, palavae, serbica, ukrainica, zumptiana
https://archive.o...199799zool
I don't see a match with jeanleclercqi either.
https://diptera.i...to_id=4694
I don't have drawings for many others, such as, sarcophaga adriatica, baranoffi, croatica etc.
I only have four in Germany (carnaria, lehmanni, subvicina and variegata) and they don't match. I cannot offer any other opinions.
you can try to write to an expert but you should clear the aedeagus with koh, then make perfect lateral photos of it in clove oil or glycerol.
Edited by johnes81 on 30-06-2018 22:13
Posted by johnes81 on 28-06-2018 11:40
#7
closer inspection of variegata in perfect lateral.
Edited by johnes81 on 30-06-2018 22:13