Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Hydrotaea dentipes? = cyrtoneurina

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:25
#1

male - 6mm - Berlin - late May 2018

I think that this specimen fits well with Hydrotaea dentipes but this is my first Hydrotaea sp.
I believe that the 6mm size eliminates H. similis and its av on hind tibia.
I see hairs on mid coxae, so i cannot eliminate Hydrotaea palaestrica with no experience.
However, Hydrotaea dentipes seems to be the best option. no drawings of genitalia for comparison.
a photo of the cerci/surstyli in dorsal view will be added last.

Thank you for your time,
John

edit: i completely ignored the hairy eyes. i wear the dunce cap today :)

Edited by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 17:05

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:26
#2

lateral view

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:26
#3

eyes have small hairs

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:26
#4

head and frons

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:27
#5

arista

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:27
#6

palpi

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:28
#7

haltere

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:28
#8

modified foreleg (even the tibia seems modified)

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:29
#9

hind femur and tibia

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:30
#10

mid coxae are rather hairy

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:30
#11

mid leg

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:30
#12

wing fits the group

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:31
#13

cerci and surstyli dorsal view

Edited by johnes81 on 07-04-2020 10:43

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 20-06-2018 16:43
#14

John, you overlook that eyes are densely hairy!

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 16:49
#15

Hello Nikita, i agree: i TOTALLY overlooked it. Now that you mention it, i see how dense it really is. I have no idea what i am thinking. I wonder if i am used to Helina where small hairs are also bare. I am not making excuses for my stupidity here but i have migraines that bother me when the weather changes. I have a major headache today and i suppose it just didn't register.

I will key it again, Sir. I apologize for the error. :)

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 17:03
#16

Hello Nikita, Hydrotaea cyrtoneurina is much better than dentipes. I think that i will call it a day and rest.

I truly appreciate you Nikita. I hope that i can help you in return someday. Just ask.

Have a splendid day, :)
John

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 20-06-2018 17:25
#17

Take it easy, John!
(3 years ago I collected in Altai Mts series of Hydrotaea "sp. n." When I come back Moscow, I found that it is H. militaris with overlooked cloud on the wing :)

Posted by johnes81 on 20-06-2018 18:49
#18

I saw that cloud in the keys and i told my wife that i would probably overlook it. I think that dipterology can be extremely difficult at times and it is alot of data to process, thus we can easily overlook the most obvious details. I always tell people to respect the experts because they have a difficult job. Muscidae is such a large and diverse family. I struggle sometimes with Muscidae. People say Pollenia are difficult but i'd rather play with Pollenia than Muscidae on most days :)

I am sometimes a perfectionist. I try too hard, then i get mad at myself when i make mistakes. I suppose i get this intensity level from playing sports in my youth. I used to lift weights and all of that macho man stuff. I got over it after my teens. I think that sometimes i still get temperamental. I mean no harm.

Anyway, I hope that you have a Great Day, Nikita. Thank you for helping :)

Posted by oceanlis2000 on 26-06-2018 13:20
#19

Hello

To be sure

Need to show that pre ac are present

also a better view of tibia 3

Posted by johnes81 on 27-06-2018 09:28
#20

Hello Dr Elisabeth A. Harris, we have enough photos. The specimen is H. cyrtoneurina. "to be sure" of any species, we use genitalia or dna and i have included genitalia. I forgot that i have Hennig and i missed the hairy eyes, hence, the need to post.

sometimes i sense that you are trying to learn from other peoples photos. If this is the case, then you should just ask to see photos. The way you word things seems like you disrespect peoples opinion. I have no problem showing additional photos if you just want to learn from them. just ask :)

I hope that you have a splendid day. Remember, just ask. All is good.

also, the sockets are visible where pre acr are missing and the hind tibia matches the drawings of Gregor et al.

Edited by johnes81 on 27-06-2018 09:29