Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Help with family
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:27
#1
This from a wetland reserve in Yorkshire, UK last week seems obvious, but I am failing even to get it to family, so any pointers gratefully received. 3mm wing length, with a costal break at sc and a possible break at humeral as well (though not so obvious). Antennae are pubescent/short plumose.
Edited by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:34
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:37
#2
Abdomen
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:38
#3
Frons
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:38
#4
Dorsum
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 10:39
#5
Wing
Posted by johnes81 on 13-05-2018 11:46
#6
Muscidae?
Schoenomyza litorella?
https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2352
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 15:10
#7
johnes81 wrote:
Muscidae? Schoenomyza litorella?
https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2352
Thanks, John and Nini...that certainly looks good. I had run it through the muscid key, but didn't get to Schoenomyza....I'll give it another go.
Thanks again
Ian
Edited by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 15:10
Posted by John Carr on 13-05-2018 16:02
#8
Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.
Posted by Tony Irwin on 13-05-2018 19:05
#9
The un-muscid like appearance regularly leads to
Schoenomyza being submitted to me as an ephydrid, particularly the male with its bright golden face.
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 19:24
#10
John Carr wrote:
Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.
Thanks, John...very useful.
Ian
Posted by andrewsi on 13-05-2018 19:25
#11
Tony Irwin wrote:
The un-muscid like appearance regularly leads to Schoenomyza being submitted to me as an ephydrid, particularly the male with its bright golden face.
Glad to say I had not gone down the Ephydrid route, but it had got me scratching my head. A useful one to get sorted.
Thanks, Tony
Ian
Posted by johnes81 on 13-05-2018 19:39
#12
I remember what
Schoenomyza litorella looks like from last year. I found one at a local park. Tony identified it for me. I think that it is unforgettable. I remember that it is a lovely fly. The female that i had encountered was walking all around a leaf looking at me. I never memorize details from a photo, i need a specimen. I learn from examining a specimen. However, this one is easy to remember.
I just want to point out that Tony also helped me identify it. I use question marks because i don't have a specimen to compare.
Posted by johnes81 on 13-05-2018 19:41
#13
John Carr wrote:
Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.
excellent post, John. very good info.