Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Pollenia sp.

Posted by Mihailo Vujic on 19-08-2017 09:42
#1

Serbia, Belgrade, Vrčin, alt. 150m, August 17th 2017

Edited by Mihailo Vujic on 19-08-2017 09:43

Posted by johnes81 on 19-08-2017 10:17
#2

Knut Rognes has info about Pollenia genitalia avalable online.
I'll see if I can find a link for you today.

Please give me some time to wake up.
I also need to clear the epigynum of a few spiders.
I will try to post sometime today with a link.
You may have to make better photos of terminalia for comparison.

Edited by johnes81 on 19-08-2017 10:18

Posted by johnes81 on 19-08-2017 10:48
#3

here is a link to the rudis group.

http://www.knut-rognes.no/Rognes%201987b%20-%20The%20taxonomy%20of%20the%20Pollenia%20rudis%20species%20group.pdf

I am not an expert of Calliphoridae. Knut Rognes is an expert. If I misunderstand his work, then I apologize. I think that it could be in the rudis group but you have not separated the terminalia and genitalia well enough for me to be certain.


Posted by Mihailo Vujic on 19-08-2017 12:11
#4

Thank you so much, I have photo of phallosome. I haven't any idea.

Posted by johnes81 on 19-08-2017 14:20
#5

I am not an expert. I cannot find a match for this with the material in my collection.
I've looked at most of the species but I am missing material for the amentaria-group.
Hopefully you've made photos of the fly or you still have the body for review.
You can try to key it to a group using the keys from Knut Rognes (page 234-235):

http://www.knut-rognes.no/Rognes%201992b%20-%20Revision%20of%20Pollenia%20venturii%20species%20group.pdf

I've added an attachment from your photo (I have no intentions to violate your copyright. I've only added an arrow to the area of interest.)

Notice the serrated edge in the attachment. Be sure that you have a Pollenia species. If yes, then try the amentaria-group.

Edited by johnes81 on 19-08-2017 14:21

Posted by Mihailo Vujic on 19-08-2017 16:15
#6

Thank you so much! I think that's P. rudis.
Regards, Mihailo.

Posted by johnes81 on 20-08-2017 00:31
#7

I don't have alot of experience with Pollenia. I try to help you because usually Pollenia questions go unanswered. I have all of the pdf files from Knut Rognes but I have yet to study Pollenia. I think that the cerci/surstyli resemble the rudis-group, which is why I suggested that you start with this group. My first impression is angustigena. I cannot find a list of species for Serbia. I don't think that angustigena is listed. rudis is the most common species, I think. Yet I remember reading data about angustigena being more abundant in August.

In the world of spiders, a minor detail in a drawing is not to be overlooked. If a conductor of a pedipalp has a serated edge in a drawing, then it will have a serrated edge on the actual pedipalp. I say this because I do not know how to interpret the drawings of Knut Rognes. Further, I do not know all of the terminology for genitalia. I think that the serrated part that I mentioned earlier is called the hypophallic lobe? let's just call it the hypophallic lobe for now. The hypophallic lobe in your photo looks like it has a serrated edge. Further the darkened area is toward the inside of the lobe. The drawings of Knut Rognes show a darkened area to the outside of the lobe and no serrated edge. I think that this is important but maybe it is not. An expert will have to clarify this matter. If the serrated edge is an unimportant feature of the lobe, then you may have angustigena or rudis. Otherwise, you have a different species.

Serbia may have six species known. The countries surrounding Serbia have up to twelve different species listed. I do not have drawings of genitalia for these twelve possibilities. Thus, I cannot say more about this species. I am not an expert. I disagree that it matches rudis. I think that it looks more like angustigena but the hypophallic lobe? is of concern to me. [vide attachent] Maybe you can ask Knut Rognes for an identification. He has an email address on his homepage: http://knut-rognes.no/