Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Estheria picta = confirmed
Posted by johnes81 on 16-08-2017 00:38
#1
After hours of searching for similar species, I've concluded that the species in the photo must be Estheria. I've used the keys from Tschorsnig to try to deduce which species. I think this should be Estheria picta but I am not confident. Size is 12mm.
If you think that it matches Estheria, then let me know if you need more photos...
Edited by johnes81 on 25-08-2017 12:21
Posted by Zeegers on 16-08-2017 07:27
#2
Please always state locality and date of photo. If I can forget about all the Iberian species, that makes life so much easier
Theo
Posted by johnes81 on 16-08-2017 10:20
#3
Berlin, DE - Suitable habitat - August (Tschorsnig lists July to September)
http://www.iucnre...cheme-ver3
species listed for Berlin (my location):
Estheria bohemani (Rondani, 1862)
Estheria petiolata (Bonsdorff, 1866)
Estheria picta (Meigen 1826)
listed for Germany but not for Berlin:
Estheria cristata (Meigen, 1826)
Maybe it is isn't Estheria if you don't recognize it.
according to Tschorsnig's keys:
Scutellum predominantly yellow = cristata
Scutellum black = bohemani
this leaves picta and petiolata.
If size of petiolata is 14mm (Tschorsnig) THEN not petiolata
IF area around m-cu and post angular is browned THEN not petiolata.
cheeks look hairy to me, no visible petiole of R5.
We are left with picta or another genus.
I can add more photos if it helps someone recognize it.
Otherwise, Tachinid sp. unidentifiable by experts. Thread closed.
I hope that you have a Wonderful Day.
Posted by johnes81 on 16-08-2017 14:31
#4
maybe a little more details will help someone recognize it?
edit: reuploaded photo because cheeks are hairy not bare and propleuron is bare not hairy.
new photo shows the hairy cheeks and bare propleuron.
Edited by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:17
Posted by johnes81 on 16-08-2017 14:32
#5
if not enough details, then perhaps terminalia will help?
Edited by johnes81 on 04-09-2017 22:15
Posted by johnes81 on 16-08-2017 15:39
#6
I see only acrophallus from Cerretti for petiolata and hertingi. Anyone have photos for picta, cristatus and bohemani?
page 280:
http://www.naturk...rretti.pdf
The acrophallus in my attachment sure looks like Estheria species. Anyone?
Edited by johnes81 on 04-09-2017 22:15
Posted by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 16:08
#7
once again, I've screwed up. The propleuron is bare. I was looking at the humeral callus.
Very sorry. I will fix this post with more accurate data after I do some more work.
I am struggling with Tachinidae...
Posted by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:18
#8
I've updated the examination photos.
I will attach more evidence of Estheria for reference.
first, the second costal segment has no hairs along the underside.
Posted by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:21
#9
r5 is interesting. By definition, a petiole is a small foot-like structure. I do not see a petiole here. No, I am not an expert but it looks like it closes at the wing edge. I cannot see how this should be described as even a small petiole. The edge just looks thickened to me.
R5 no petiole (to me). Maybe a small petiole to an expert.
Posted by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:25
#10
I see that Cerretti shows the calypter of litoralis and petiolata. I will show the calypter if it helps.
Posted by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:27
#11
Finally, I believe that this species must be Estheria picta based upon all of the evidence presented to you. Tschorsnig does not include genitalia with his keys, so I ask if anyone can recognize it as picta. All of the data leads to Estheria but I am not an expert. I am struggling with Tachinidae. I hope that I am correct with Estheria picta.
If I understand Tschorsnig correctly, then bare cheeks eliminates cristata and bohemani.
The area around m-cu and the post-angular vein are browned eliminating petiolata
This leaves picta, a first record, a new species or a misidentification.
The genitalia should help no matter what the case is.
Edited by johnes81 on 17-08-2017 18:28
Posted by johnes81 on 25-08-2017 12:22
#12
I have contacted a Tachinidae expert about this species because I assume that noone here can recognize it. The expert compared my photos with a specimen in a collection. The expert agrees with my opinion.
I am happy to name this as Estheria picta. If anyone finds themselves with a similar species, they now have a visual crutch to lean on.
I wish for all a Pleasant Day.