Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Ectophasia oblonga?

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 13:51
#1

I wish to re-evaluate my understanding of Ectophasia.
I have identified an Ectophasia as oblonga based upon keys of Tschorsnig.

According to Tschorsnig, the longitudinal stripe should be a maximum of 1/8 of the abdomen width.
The abdomen should be longer than wide.

I am confused about the color. I think that the species in my photo is orange not yellow.
But if you compare it to the color red, then it is more yellow. Does color really matter?

I would like confirmation that the species in my photo is indeed oblonga.
Otherwise, I will assume that I am misunderstanding Tschorsnig's keys or his keys are not accurate.

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 12-08-2017 14:03
#2

This is one of those cases that confuse me a lot and I have found several times. A female-looking male? Look the wing-markings, they are of a female. However the abdomen is not of a typical female. I believe male-looking females do exist. What I really need is a lesson about this problem. I have never found anything about it in my literature :(

Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 12-08-2017 14:03

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 14:07
#3

yes, this is a male in my opinion. I've labelled it a male. I had trouble at first but I agree that overall it is a male. Very strange one to me too.

I spent an entire night reading Tschorsnigs keys to id this one. I conclude that it must be oblonga. Now I wonder if I am correct?

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 12-08-2017 14:10
#4

Simply wait for Theo ;) I am very looking forward to what he has to say about these problem. It has been bothering me for quite a long time.

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 14:16
#5

I agree. We wait for Theo. I lack the experience here.
I figured this to be oblonga because of the haustellum, 1/8 longitudinal stripe, abdomen is oblong. I could be wrong. I'd love to know more about this problem. I am confused now :)

I will wait for Theo and sip some coffee. I will look through more photos ...

Posted by Zeegers on 12-08-2017 15:03
#6

For starters, this is a female or a feminine male ... so all male features are out.
I can tell the difference only by genitalia....

Theo

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 15:27
#7

feminine male is interesting. Hopefully photos of genitalia have been published.

I should be able to collect Ectophasia throughout August. Maybe next year I will come across another feminine male or odd female. I will definitely collect it, then dissect it.

Thank You.

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 15:31
#8

For me, I think that genitalia is the only road to follow. Too many problems exist without genitalia. I will just assume that I need genitalia for everything. I suppose that I will learn more this way. Plus, it will give me a chance to photograph genitalia of both males and females for everything. I'm going to stop trying to id using keys. Too many problems.

Posted by Zeegers on 12-08-2017 18:14
#9

You made a simple mistake using the key, you learn from it. Don't give up so easily ! 92 % of the Tachinidae can benidentified without genitalia.
However, it cannot be learned in one week. I started 32 years ago....


Theo

Posted by johnes81 on 12-08-2017 19:01
#10

Thank You, Theo. I am just angry with myself for making errors. I try hard to get it correct. In this case, I pushed myself too much for that one more photo. The species flew and I was unable to collect it. I hate it when I need a specimen and don't have one. I will move on. Next time I will examine the species through the lens to determine if I need to collect it. Otherwise, I'll key it out.

32 years? You are the Supreme Being Dipterist. I am lucky that you give me the time of day. Thank You very much for not treating me like an idiot. You are Wonderful!

Posted by Christine Devillers on 13-08-2017 09:01
#11

Are there features that could help to see the difference between female and male gynaecomorph of Ectophasia ?

Can females of Ectophasia have large claws like those of male ?
Are there no difference in the shape of the tip of abdomen ?

Christine