Thread subject: :: Neoepitriptus inconstans from Marvão - PORTUGAL

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-09-2014 12:48

Antiphrisson trifarius (?) from Marvão (Edit: not Antiphrisson: Edit: neither Engelopogon)
Final August 2014

Neoepitriptus inconstans

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-12-2019 20:37

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-09-2014 12:54

and the key... can someone confirm if is this trifarius?

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-09-2014 12:59

description... I only barely know German... can anybody help in this? :D

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 08-09-2014 15:24

I'm afraid it is not an Antphrisson species....because this creature has setae on the hind edges of the abdominal segments. Engel refers to Machimus aberrans as similar to Antiphrisson but with setae. A. trifarius in its normal form would have black setae in the lower part of the mystax.

Your fly has another strong character which rules out M aberrans, it has setae on the underside of femur 1! This creature should be identifiable when we know the genus. It is puzzling me??????

Could you add pictures of the wings?

Edited by Quaedfliegh on 08-09-2014 15:26

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 08-09-2014 22:05


Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 11-09-2014 23:59

any ideas?

Posted by picotverd on 12-09-2014 18:35

Jorge, you can make better photos from the wings!

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 12-09-2014 19:22

I know, but i am in Lisbon and specimen and machine in Viseu

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 12-09-2014 22:16

As i think now that it is an Engelepogon (Acanthopleura) species i would rather like to see a picture of the mesopleuron. It is not brunnipes because the first two segments of the antennae should be "yellow". From Spain also E. collarti and naxia are known according to Tolrá Anderson 2002

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 13-09-2014 01:03

I will take photos tomorrow.
you mean... Acanthopleura Engel, 1927?? When was it synonymized?

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 13-09-2014 10:06

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 13-09-2014 15:10

The genus was renamed by Lehr in 1992. (maybe has to do with the fact the name is in use for a genus of chitons in the family Chitonidae)

Your fly is Engelepogon collarti! Description by Bequaert fits very good. One distinguishing character are the bristles on the underside of the front femora.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 13-09-2014 15:36


Posted by Quaedfliegh on 03-06-2015 23:36

Forgot about this one : ( I was wrong. Engelepogon (Acanthopleura) should have strong bristles on the mesopleuron they are not there, or at least i can't see them. Wishful thinking on my side and my apologies for that. Please add a cf

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 06-12-2019 00:46

Mystery solved: Neoepitriptus inconstans :)

Type specimen from Portugal, but very common and widespread species over most of the Iberian Peninsula.

Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 06-12-2019 00:49

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 06-12-2019 00:53


Posted by jonas on 06-12-2019 15:15

Oh man! You two are the best! I have been my head on a similar specimen for months now!

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 06-12-2019 20:34

ahaha! Comin' from the oblivion of the time! Since 2014!!! WOW!

I want the Engel's head beheaded.. but ohhh... wait!!!

Thanks to both! :D There are still jewels to be uncovered soon ;) ;)

ps i laughed so hard with the WWW of the Reinoud.. man... so hard! come on.. it is not your address that you should put over there!

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-12-2019 20:36