Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Gonia ornata (Tachinidae)

Posted by Karol Ox on 15-06-2014 17:48
#1

Hello.
It is a Gonia? Found: 27.4.2014, Slovakia-Kosice, 200m a.s.l. Thank you for your help.
Regards, Karol.

Edited by Karol Ox on 23-06-2014 13:56

Posted by Karol Ox on 15-06-2014 17:48
#2

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Posted by ValerioW on 18-06-2014 23:10
#3

|t Considering the median dark band my end is G. vacua

Posted by ChrisR on 19-06-2014 09:00
#4

Definitely Gonia but I'd need a specimen to be sure of species - the dusting, face colour and width of central band are all variable abd need close examination.

Posted by ValerioW on 19-06-2014 09:22
#5

Ok! Using Cerrettiā€˜s work :abdomen colour + head/abdomen pruinosity colour + abdomen median dark line shape (thickness and pointed end on t5 ) + face corner hairs I went quite straight to vacua

Posted by ChrisR on 19-06-2014 09:34
#6

It definitely could be vacua but I just know people have warned about identifying Gonia from photos because they often don't represent the features adequately :)

Posted by Karol Ox on 20-06-2014 14:21
#7

Chris, Valerio thank you :)

Posted by Zeegers on 22-06-2014 20:26
#8

IN vacua, the black vitta is muich smaller.

This is simply Gonia ornata.


Theo

Posted by Karol Ox on 23-06-2014 13:56
#9

Zeegers wrote:
IN vacua, the black vitta is muich smaller.

This is simply Gonia ornata.


Theo

Thank you very much |t

Posted by ValerioW on 23-06-2014 15:00
#10

Zeegers wrote:
IN vacua, the black vitta is muich smaller.

This is simply Gonia ornata.


Theo



Wait. G. vacua is differentiated from others like capitata, bimaculata and ornata , because its median dark stripe shrinks progressively at T5, till it ends, while the others got a stripe that enlarges from T5 (sometimes even from T4). I mean, is quite clear that here that stripe isn't enlarging in T5, instead is shrinking, isn't it?

I add a digitalized scheme of this dark median stripe on T5

Edited by ValerioW on 23-06-2014 15:27

Posted by ValerioW on 23-06-2014 15:20
#11

I know you may think I'm goin insane to contradict you :D, Theo, but this cannot be ornata, or at least cannot be ornata from its classic descriptions (with median dark stripe enlarging from T5)

Posted by ValerioW on 23-06-2014 15:24
#12

Here's an example of ornata taken from photogallery. Here is easy to notice the so called "enlarging dark stripe" :)

http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=7491

Posted by Zeegers on 27-06-2014 07:55
#13

In vacua, the light dusting on tergites 3 and 4 is hardly visible, in ornata it is conspicuous. This made (and makes) me believe this is ornata.
I agree that the black vitta is usually broader in ornata. However, this feature is pretty variable. I have seen 100's of ornata. 10 % of them are even totally black !
You can also observe a kind of dark hind margin of tergite, which I have never seen in vacua (admitted: not seen 100's of those).
Finally, vacua is pretty rare and ornata is pretty common. A Gonia should be pretty clear vacua before I'd make that call.

So, all in all, one feature indicates vacua and the others ornata, which makes me believe this is ornata.

Theo

Posted by ValerioW on 27-06-2014 08:21
#14

|tThanks for the explanation. Probably it's time for tachinid flies description to be updated, because the "dark median stripe shrinkage" is really "trap door" (and no way to escape from it).

Posted by Zeegers on 27-06-2014 09:42
#15

Individual variations, one might say aberrations, can be enormous in Tachinidae. To find flies with left and right with different number of bristles is quite common.
Some variations are known to be common in some species, ie. for instance Oswaldia muscaria with an O. eggeri-like number of bristles on the thorax. With a simple key, one definitely goes wrong, while put together in a box the difference is more than obvious to the naked eye.
Extreme examples are in my experience a Nowickia ferox with a very long petiole in its wing venation. Another source of aberration are intersexes (not that rare at all !)
So, message: don't bother too much about one individual aberration. It is annoying, but they occur.

If you have two specimen with the same aberration, that is another matter.

In Gonia, in my experience the presence of light pruinescense and the extension of this, is quite stable feature. Therefore, I rely on this more than on the shape of reddish sidemarkings or black vitta.

And in the end, I am satisfied with 95 % reliable identification from pictures. Really 100 % is not possible without specimen on your desk.


Theo