Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Three very small flies

Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 19:49
#1

Hello!

These pics were taken yesterday in Ostwestfalen/Germany in our garden and at the forest edge. Can at least the families be determined? Thanks in advance!

The first one was only 2 mm. I have no idea about it.
www.foto-upload.de/diptera/061116/Brachycera_spp_2mm.jpg

The second one sat on tree trunks and was about 2.5-3 mm:
www.foto-upload.de/diptera/061116/Brachycera_spp_3mm.jpg

The third one was the "largest" with about 4 mm:
www.foto-upload.de/diptera/061116/Brachycera_spp_4mm_schwarz_M.jpg

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:54
#2

second - I would say Dolichopodidae
third - I would say Lonchaeidae.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:55
#3

perhaps Medetera sp. the second one??

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:56
#4

I will take the risk for the first one... Chloropidae?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 17-11-2006 20:29
#5

First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.

Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 20:32
#6

Hello, Jorge!

Thanks! Chloropidae and Dolichopididae/Medetera sound plausible to me. Cannot judge about Lonchaeidae, never saw a male (?) with such large eyes.

Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 20:42
#7

Hello, Paul!

Paul Beuk wrote:
First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.


(Again overlapping posts...) Thanks! Ephydridae sounds very interesting to me. Never had that family, will take a look at my books for some informations on it.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 20:44
#8

Juergen Peters wrote:
Hello, Paul!

Paul Beuk wrote:
First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.


(Again overlapping posts...) Thanks! Ephydridae sounds very interesting to me. Never had that family, will take a look at my books for some informations on it.


which books?? :) I?m interesting to hear. :)

I'm searching for books about dipters... and nothing. :(

Just Evolution of insects that I will copy.... :S

Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 22:15
#9

Hello, Jorge!

jorgemotalmeida wrote:
which books?? :) I?m interesting to hear. :)


I have only two books solely on flies, no special literature, and they are in German:

1. Joachim & Hiroko Haupt: "Fliegen und M?cken" (ISBN 3-89440-278-4)
2. Frieder Sauer: "Sauers Naturf?hrer: Fliegen und M?cken" (ISBN 3-923010-07-9)

(Fliegen = flies, M?cken = gnats, midges)

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 22:32
#10

are they well illustrated, Juergen? With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:19

Posted by Tony Irwin on 18-11-2006 01:16
#11

my suggestions (about the flies, not books)
1. Scaptomyza
2. Medetera
3. Muscidae

Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2006 11:43
#12

I thought about Scaptomyza (pallida) but the antennae appeared to big to me and the wings too broad...

Posted by Juergen Peters on 18-11-2006 18:28
#13

Hello, Jorge!

are they well illustrated, Stephen?


?? ;-)

With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)


The books are only field guides - with nice but only habitus photos (only generic drawings of details of wing venation, bristles etc. in the preface). I've got them from a second-hand book shop for under 10 ? each.

Posted by Juergen Peters on 18-11-2006 18:30
#14

Hello, Paul and Tony!

I see, theese tiny flies are tricky even on family level. I will try to get better pics next time.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:23
#15

Juergen Peters wrote:
Hello, Jorge!

are they well illustrated, Stephen?


?? ;-)




>>>>>>>oopppppsss... I forgot to take my LSD.. lol opsss. not lsd but another thing. ehe :D I was in the Moon. :)
I did fix your real :) name.


With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)

The books are only field guides - with nice but only habitus photos (only generic drawings of details of wing venation, bristles etc. in the preface). I've got them from a second-hand book shop for under 10 ? each.



hmmm... that is what I want. :) German it is not easy... :|

perhaps there must be another good books concerning this subject. if anyone knows, let us to know. :)

Thank you.... for you, Juergen! :)

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:26

Posted by pierred on 19-11-2006 07:32
#16

jorgemotalmeida wrote:
hmmm... that is what I want. :) German it is not easy... :|

perhaps there must be another good books concerning this subject. if anyone knows, let us to know. :)


The Haupt exists also in French, and maybe in English too.