Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Empidae

Posted by philporter on 17-11-2010 11:40
#1

A very long-beaked empid. Sorry, don't know what to try to highlight especially. Can anyone help?
Phil Porter

Posted by philporter on 17-11-2010 11:40
#2

larger

Posted by oxycera on 17-11-2010 17:23
#3

Empis (sens.lat.) but unless you're an empid specialist with an 'instant recognition' factor, a bit difficult to progress I would have thought with the lack of useful detail.
Interesting Thereva, by the way.

Posted by philporter on 17-11-2010 21:42
#4

Every little helps John, but I haven't got a key for Empidae at the moment
Phil

Posted by oxycera on 17-11-2010 22:05
#5

Collin's book is a brilliant piece of work; recommended if you get the chance to acquire it (not sure how easy that may be these days).

Posted by rvanderweele on 17-11-2010 22:42
#6

I think (!) it is Empis livida, but, as said above, not enough details.
I like Collin's book a lot, but it is of course a bit old. I guess it is still possible to purchase it, perhaps second hand, but if you need a good key for Empis, rather buy Chvala's key in the Fauna Entomololica Scandinavica.

Posted by rvanderweele on 17-11-2010 22:43
#7

Phil, do the M1 and M2 from the discall cell reach the margin of the wing?

Posted by philporter on 18-11-2010 11:11
#8

Ruud,
No, they both stop short of the margin. Compared to a specimen which Paul Beuk identified as livida on the site a while ago, this has mouthparts a full 60% longer, measured with an engraved lens.
John
I'll certainly look into finding Collins book. Re. all these references; 'so many books, so little time and money'. I only have about ten specimens and most probably some duplicates among them, so I'm in for all of the outside help I can get!
Regards
Phil

Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2010 11:26
#9

Mouth parts consist of soft and hard parts. The soft parts can be extended and can result in a proboscis that appears to be twice as long as one that is not extended. This is Empis livida.

Edited by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2010 19:59

Posted by philporter on 18-11-2010 17:44
#10

Extraordinary; thank you all.
Phil Porter