Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Two Therevids

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 11:08
#1

Hi,
I'd like to show you two Therevidae species here.
The first one should be Thereva nobilitata (can I be wrong if I name all the ones with the thick goldbrown hair that way?). I saw several of them here in the middle of June.
#1 shows a copula.

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 11:09
#2

#2 is a male of the same species.

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 11:10
#3

Another species I met near a big lake east of Berlin last weekend. This one I do not know, the white fur is quite nice.
So here is #4:

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 11:12
#4

#5 is some more pics of the same animal.
Many thanks for help, Sundew

Posted by Paul Beuk on 01-07-2010 14:08
#5

Bottom: Acrosathe annulata.

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 19:12
#6

Fine! And all those brown ones are Thereva nobilitata for sure, no mix-up possible?

Posted by Zeegers on 01-07-2010 19:29
#7

handlirschi is like nobilitata, but not to be expected before middle August.

I'm not sure, but it certainly looks like nobilitata.


Theo

Posted by Paul Beuk on 01-07-2010 19:32
#8

I thought the frontal spots in the female were a bit big for nobilitata, but I have no key here to check.

Posted by Zeegers on 01-07-2010 20:59
#9

I agree, Paul, but then again clearly not big enough for lanata. And since we cannot see the colouration of the halters and nobilitata is currently very common, I'd only consider another species if it really is not nobiliata.


Theo

Posted by Sundew on 01-07-2010 22:46
#10

Here is another female of that day where the halters are a bit visible. Is that helpful?

Posted by Zeegers on 03-07-2010 11:00
#11

Yes, there are clearly 2 post DC. This is exceptional in nobilitata, though it does occur.

So nobilitata seems unlikely.

We are dying to see the halteres


Theo


Posted by Zeegers on 04-07-2010 20:02
#12

I'm sorry, I was totally off.

It is, of course, Th. fulva, since the dark bands on tergite 2 and 3 are lacking. Should have bee obvious from the first minute !!


Theo