Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Lispe sp

Posted by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 11:38
#1

Does anybody have any idea on this one? Caught on 13th August this year on the shingly margins of a freshwater lake.

Posted by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 11:39
#2

A view of the abdomen

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 21-10-2009 11:54
#3

99% Lispe litorea, but to be 100% sure, I'd prefer to see close-up of head (anterior view) and/or mid leg.

Posted by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 12:30
#4

Close up of head.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 21-10-2009 13:50
#5

Lispe litorea

Posted by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 14:15
#6

Thanks very much Nikita. Looking at the RES guide and the Muscidae of Central Europe, both mention a brown spot near the insertion of the antennae (I presume that is why you wanted to look at a frontal view of the head). Could you mark it on the last image so I know what I am looking for next time!

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 21-10-2009 14:36
#7

These spots are shifting depending on angle of view.
Shape of frontal triangle also important - in your case narrow (excl. - caesia)

Posted by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 14:48
#8

Brilliant, thanks Nikita. My main worry was L. loewi, males of which I have certainly had (no vibrissae, long, curved hair on mid-metatarsus). I have had some females which I have tentatively marked as loewi also, and now I know what I am supposed to be looking for I can go back and check.

Edited by Smoggycb on 21-10-2009 14:50

Posted by Smoggycb on 22-10-2009 08:12
#9

Out of curiosity, what was the feature you were looking for on the mid-leg?

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 22-10-2009 12:04
#10

Mid tibia with 1 ad seta. loewi Ringd.
Mid tibia with 2 or more ad setae. litorea Fallén

Posted by Smoggycb on 22-10-2009 15:48
#11

Thanks for the info, very useful to know

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 01-08-2010 08:23
#12

I'm sorry ffor my misID. Now I dived deeper in this group.
It is Lispe loewi, as you correctly suggested yourself.

Posted by Smoggycb on 01-08-2010 08:47
#13

Thanks very much for coming back to this one Nikita, as it makes sense of the fact that all my males from here were loewi and all the females litorea! Which features make you go for L. loewi?

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 01-08-2010 09:10
#14

Abdominal spots and absence of black spots near antennae.

Posted by Smoggycb on 01-08-2010 15:52
#15

Thanks Niita. Just out of interest, do you have any images of litorea showing the facial spots?