Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Platycheirus sp?

Posted by blowave on 07-12-2008 01:52
#1

HI!

This one has a face which reminds me of Platycheirus but I haven't found anything like it. It was very small, flying onto the centre of Clematis 'Juuli' which has quite small flowers.

21st July, Lincoln UK. Any help appreciated, thanks! :)

2 pics.

Janet

Posted by blowave on 07-12-2008 01:53
#2

Pic 2

Posted by Andre on 10-12-2008 22:04
#3

These pics are too confusing :-S

Posted by blowave on 10-12-2008 23:55
#4

Lol, for me too Andre! Is it the pics or the fly which are confusing? :D

Posted by Paul Beuk on 11-12-2008 08:14
#5

Melanostoma dubium? (Pun intended.)

Posted by blowave on 12-12-2008 00:45
#6

Thanks for the suggestion Paul! :) Yes, good one, pun :D Obviously I don't have a clue, but the shape does suggest Melanostoma. Funny though that I had found a mention of M. dubium as being an upland species, being the same as Melanostoma mellinum when searching for that, but above 460m in north and western Britain. I'm in the Midlands and around 80m at a guess. As I had one which I thought was Melanostoma mellinum, perhaps it's a melanic form of that?

I found a paper on this, I guess you have already seen it.

http://www.malloc...DUBIUM.pdf

After reading some of the pdf I see why the pun! Some specimens collected turned out to be Platycheirus sp.! :o

"With regard to the separation of female M. dubium from the not infrequent melanic form of M. mellinum, Andersson
gives the character of a divided tergite 8 in the former whilst in M. mellinum this tergite
is in one piece. This represents the first definite taxanomic character in the distinction
of the two species"

Janet

Posted by Andre on 12-12-2008 09:12
#7

The quality of the pic I mean. Most probably it is a melanistic form of Melanostoma mellinum, which happens most often among female.

Posted by blowave on 12-12-2008 15:24
#8

Thanks again Andre! This was one of those quick shots as it flew in and off again. ;)

Posted by Andre on 12-12-2008 18:51
#9

That's what they do ;)

Posted by blowave on 12-12-2008 19:43
#10

Oh, yes, so they do! :o :D