Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Pinned Tachinidae, Admontia grandicornis

Posted by JariF on 13-09-2008 10:54
#1

Hi, the season with Tachinidae is turning to it's end. Only one Siphona now and then. Anyway yesterday was this one in my malaise trap. September 12. 2008 Helsinki, Finland.

Jari

Edited by JariF on 17-09-2008 08:32

Posted by Zeegers on 13-09-2008 20:14
#2

It looks very BLondeliini.
Further I see only 1 ad seta on tibia 2 and 3 post DC. The eyes are bare.
The genus Vibrissina comes in mind. Easy to see, the females (this is a female) have a Compsilura-piercer, though less obvious. Completely with ventral spinulae.
Could you please check ?


Theo

Posted by JariF on 14-09-2008 08:39
#3

Hi, thank You Theo. I tried to find the piercer but could not find any. Am I looking at the right end ?

Jari

Posted by Zeegers on 14-09-2008 14:53
#4

You are right: it is not there.

So, alternative hypothesis: I've been misled by the ad bristles on tibia 2. There are actually more than 1 ?? Maybe broken off?
In that case, it is Oswaldia.

Need better pics of tibia2, thorax and scutellum to be more sure.


Theo

Posted by JariF on 14-09-2008 15:57
#5

Hi, thank You again. As far as I can see there is only one ad bristle on T2. Difficoult to get better pictures of so dark species. Here is T2 on the right side.

Jari

Posted by Zeegers on 14-09-2008 20:00
#6

Is it the left tibia 2 ?
then I see 2 ad, if I understand it properly.

I see 2 prae DC. So after all, it would key out to Oswaldia muscaria.
However, this is a strictly spring species.

???


Theo

Posted by JariF on 15-09-2008 05:18
#7

No, this is right tibia 2 ! It's getting interesting :)

Jari

Posted by Jaakko on 15-09-2008 08:11
#8

Might be Admontia grandicornis by habitus.

Jaakko

Posted by Zeegers on 15-09-2008 20:45
#9

I agree, it reminded me of Admontia as first glance, however, the parafacials are bare and the arista is thickened on base only.
So ???

You don't have Istochaeta hemichaeta, do you ?

Posted by JariF on 16-09-2008 04:38
#10

No, we don't have hemichaeta in our list. Maybe I will add this one to the same box labelled as "Theo" if You like to have a closer look :)

Jari

Posted by Jaakko on 16-09-2008 08:25
#11

I still stick to A. grandicornis. ;) If you look closely, there are short hairs in the anterior edge of the cheeks, quite typical for Admontia. Some females in my collection have quite few hairs anyways. According to the central European key, the arista is thickened at most to 2/3. So it fits. Darkened wings are also typical. Fairly common species in malaise material here in late summer - early autumn.

This is btw, one of the few tachinids that can be found in thick forest. My only net catch is from a path through a spruce forest.

If you have time Jari, take a closeup photo of the cheeks. The image is quite dark, if you can add up the light, it will help seeing the hairs.

Istocheta have wider face and the flight time doesn't fit.

ID'ing tachinids from photos is an interesting exercise, anyways. Most species are so much easier once you have them under the scope. B)

All the best,

Jaakko

Edited by Jaakko on 16-09-2008 08:28

Posted by JariF on 16-09-2008 17:20
#12

And the last picture. Not a good one :(

Jari

Posted by Zeegers on 16-09-2008 19:57
#13

well, it is good enough to prove that Jari was right.
The parafacialia are, contra first impression, hairy.
As for the arista, to get to the point quoted by Jari, you really first have to choose 'arista at least half thickened'. somehow this seems not to be the case here. But now I've seen the hairs on the parafacialia, I agree it is Admontia for sure. Grandicornis is in that case an obvious candidate.

Thanks for being persistent on this point


Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 16-09-2008 19:59
#14

I'm sorry, read 'Jaakko' instead of 'Jari"


Theo

Posted by JariF on 17-09-2008 08:31
#15

Thank You both of You. This is like detective work with flies :D

Jari