Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tipula ID -> T. caesia
Posted by Carnifex on 18-02-2022 07:31
#1
Could this be
Tipula oleracea?
May, in a park in Vienna
Edited by Carnifex on 01-03-2022 11:22
Posted by clovis on 20-02-2022 21:29
#2
No, it can't.
But it is much more interresting, other pictures?
Posted by Carnifex on 21-02-2022 08:22
#3
only this one with roughly the same angle:
Posted by clovis on 21-02-2022 12:49
#4
I have never met this specie.
it should be
T caesia
Posted by Carnifex on 21-02-2022 17:44
#5
Thanks clovis!
Difficult to find information about that species.
As this observation might be the first record for eastern Austria, are there any closely resembling species to be confused with?
I have 11 other
Yamatotipula species listed for the country
Edited by Carnifex on 21-02-2022 18:10
Posted by clovis on 21-02-2022 20:11
#6
I do not know if someone work on Tipulomorpha in Austria. In weastern Europe, specie is rare (in France, only few recent records).
Did you look at the craneflies catalogue?
It could be confused with other species with blanck anterior margin of the wing: T (Y) marginella et T (Tipula) sp.
Posted by Carnifex on 22-02-2022 17:48
#7
Hm, I actually feel that this species rather belongs to the subgenus
Tipula and not
Yamatotipula - I find
T. errans or
subcunctans quite similar
Posted by clovis on 22-02-2022 23:02
#8
Actually I took precausion because I have never met this species.
This is undoubtly a Yamatotipula, and it can only be T caesia according to keys and as I know all other austrian species (except T riedeli I have no information on at all)
Posted by Carnifex on 26-02-2022 16:26
#9
I reached out to regional Tipulid experts, but no response so far.
Clovis, could you please help me understand how to recognize
Yamatotipula?
Posted by clovis on 27-02-2022 21:18
#10
Try the keys of Peeters and Oosterbroek 2014 (in dutch). In the case of this species, with the black anterior band of the wing without white bande after it (as in Tipula subgenus) lead you immediatly to the subgenus
Posted by Carnifex on 01-03-2022 11:14
#11
Using the key you recommended, I also read that some of my other suspects were autumn species. So it really boils down to this species. One expert wrote me back with the same principal ID, he just doesn't want to make a final call, based on only these two photos