Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Neomochterus pallipes ? -> Neomochterus shineri

Posted by CedricMondy on 20-07-2021 13:01
#1

Hi,

I just figure out that there is a sub-forum dedicated to Asilidae, so I transfer my message from the 'Diptera adults' sub-forum.

Thank you for your help!

CedricMondy wrote:
Hi everyone,

First encounter with an Asilidae, I used this key and I found that this male should be Neomochterus pallipes. Do you agree?

Thank you!


www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos285/big/rect70(2).jpg
Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 07/07/2021
Altitude : 42 m - Taille : 14 mm
Réf. : 285976

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos285/big/rect72.jpg
Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 07/07/2021
Altitude : 42 m - Taille : 14 mm
Réf. : 285977

Edited by CedricMondy on 05-08-2021 18:51

Posted by CedricMondy on 03-08-2021 09:19
#2

Hi, anyone to bring me some confidence about this one?

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 04-08-2021 21:22
#3

I would ID it as N. schineri (despite the not red 2nd segment of antennae)

Edited by Quaedfliegh on 04-08-2021 21:27

Posted by CedricMondy on 04-08-2021 23:13
#4

Thank you Reinoud!

Here is a couple of close-ups of the head, it seems that the second antennae segment is not black but indeed more brownish-reddish.

Neomochtherus schineri is not among the species included in the key I used probably because the key is from Germany and according to Fauna Europeae, it seems to be a more southern species. What would be the criteria to ID this species?

Thank you again for your help

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos287/big/rect861(1).jpg
Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 07/07/2021
Altitude : 42 m - Taille : 14 mm
Réf. : 287425

Edited by CedricMondy on 05-08-2021 10:20

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 05-08-2021 01:29
#5

Could you also make some pictures of the genitalia? The yellow legs, the white mystax (beard), the black belly and now also the brownish second segment of the antennae would point at N. schineri. The species is known from Spain, France, Italy, Austria and Slovakia. I know not much about habitat or ecology

Posted by CedricMondy on 05-08-2021 10:18
#6

These are the only decent views I have of the genitalia (I released free the fly long time ago), unfortunately I do not have a decent lateral view, I hope it will be sufficient.

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos287/big/rect4127.jpg
Cédric Mondy : France : Saint-Maur-des-Fossés : 94100 : 07/07/2021
Altitude : 42 m - Taille : 14 mm
Réf. : 287455

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 05-08-2021 18:27
#7

A bit difficult, a lateral view would have been welcome. Still, pretty sure that this is N. schineri. You couldn't find it with the German key for it is not in there.

Posted by CedricMondy on 05-08-2021 18:49
#8

Thank you very much!