Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tachinid/Sarcophagid (?) specimen in search of id

Posted by Xeroporcellio on 28-05-2021 19:22
#1

Hello,

Recently, I collected this dead specimen of Muscoid fly from my garden and I am trying to properly identify it. I think that it may be something in Anthomyiidae rather than Muscidae, but I am not sure. Any help with the identification (at family, genus or even species level) is welcome!

The specimen was found and collected in my urban garden in Western Athens, Attica, Greece in 24/5/21. I still have it in the freezer, so if more photos of specific external characters are needed for proper identification, just tell me!

Unfortunately, the photos were too large for uploading in the thread, so you can find them here:https://www.inatu...s/80639012

Thanks!

Edited by Xeroporcellio on 29-05-2021 21:24

Posted by tristram on 29-05-2021 19:27
#2

Might be Tachinidae
(or maybe Sarcophagidae).

Change the title to attract the attention of Theo Zeegers

Edited by tristram on 29-05-2021 19:28

Posted by Zeegers on 30-05-2021 08:57
#3

the lower calypter seems small, it might be Mimidexia (Rhinophoridae ) ?

*. heck postscutellum
* check posterior spiracle

Both virtually impossible to photograph :(

Theo

Posted by Xeroporcellio on 30-05-2021 19:15
#4

Zeegers wrote:
the lower calypter seems small, it might be Mimidexia (Rhinophoridae ) ?

*. heck postscutellum
* check posterior spiracle

Both virtually impossible to photograph :(

Theo


Thanks for the possible id! :D In that case, I will also check ''The world woodlouse flies (Diptera, Rhinophoridae) by Cerretti et al. 2020 (https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/37775/) to see if the characters given for Tromodesia (synonymous with Mimodexia in the paper) match my specimen and also ''The Rhinophoridae (Diptera) of Israel'' by Kugler 1978, to see if the description of Tromodesia angustifrons (the only species known from Greece) matches.

On top of that, I will try to take photos of the postscutellum with my stereoscope, but isn't the posterior spiracle only visible in larvae and pupae?

Thanks!

Posted by Zeegers on 01-06-2021 07:56
#5

Posterior spiracle = posterior breathing opening under wing base.
We need to see the lappets closing this opening “ operculum”

Theo

Posted by Xeroporcellio on 06-06-2021 20:22
#6

I managed to take photos of the postscutellum and the spircle (the latter isn't too good, but may be helpful?). I added them on the above-given link and below:

Posted by Xeroporcellio on 06-06-2021 20:22
#7

Scutellum with postscutellum:

Posted by Xeroporcellio on 06-06-2021 20:24
#8

Posterior spiracle and halter (right side):

Posted by Zeegers on 07-06-2021 07:12
#9

Excellent, great work. Definitely a Rhinophoridae, I’d say.
So I stick to Tromodesia / Mimodexia

Theo